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    There is a minimum-amount of fission-fuel required, AND there is a minimum-amount of conventional-explosives required to compress the fission-fuel until it goes supercritical.

    That detonator isn’t going to be small-enough to hide in a vest.

    Absolute disinformation.

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          I really wonder what happened when making that couch. The left one being on piece and then the right one having a seam between the bottom and the “pillow”. Thinking it’s either AI or some home project that didn’t pan out as planned.

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            I was thinking maybe it’s a sectional missing a section, with the part on the left being a sticky-outy bit for your legs that doesn’t have a back, and the part on the right expecting another piece on the side towards the camera.

            Or AI.

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      I mean, yeah, the Davie Crockett could fit in a back pack, a really big back pack 0hPf1HdHAWM2L90.webp

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      It is stupid for even more reasons than that. I’ve thought about it back when North Korea had pretend nuclear suicide bombers march on their military parade.

      Even if somehow they manage to cram one in a backpack that is carriable by a person, there is no advantage whatsoever given the blast radius. You will have to use a vehicle of sorts to get near the enemy and more importantly away from your friendlies anyway. Whatever distance you can cover on foot afterwards won’t make much of a difference. Might as well make it vehicle borne.

      Also the whole point of a suicide vest is to be able to get in the middle of an unaware crowd or near your target before using it. With a nuke you don’t need to be in the middle of a targeted crowd or get that close to your target to have an effect.

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      I mean, the W54 was small enough to be carried by a person and I don’t think anyone wants even a 1kt device going off near them. So it’s within the realm of possibility even if it does strain credulity as an actual goal Iran was working toward (let alone a solid justification for this bullshit).

      Edit: the W54 weighed 51lb (23 kg).

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      He’s talking about a dirty bomb. And, technically, that is quite possible and doable by the Iranians.

      It’s a stupid assertion, yes; but the engineering is plausible.

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        Go rub yerself against bad american people!

        Imagine pulling the trigger and you have to endure radiation sickness for days or weeks before you get your virgins, smh.

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      Do you actually need conventional explosives? I had the impression all they do is reliably stick the big hunks of radioactive material together in a big bomb that needs to be delivered at high speeds and detonate automatically. Wouldn’t it be enough to quickly shove a cylinder into a bigger core, perhaps with a motor or even a tensioned spring?

      That of course doesn’t waive the issue of the amount of fissile material, or the fact it needs to be all put together (you can’t spread it around a vest)

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        It’s not just reliably sticking the two subcritical halves of fissile material together, but keeping them there via inertia long enough for enough of the mass to go critical before the much more minor reactions blow them apart via melting/vaporizing the nearest surfaces.

        If you had to halves of an atomic bomb core and just clacked them together mechanically you’d wind up with a lot of heat and a big old pulse of radiation, and if you were the one holding this device you probably would indeed die. But there would be no nuclear explosion in the sense we think of it as compared to actual functional nuclear weapons. At best you’d wind up with an energy release equivalent to a few pounds of TNT, which would be much easier to replicate with… a few pounds of TNT.

        This has been explored to death, e.g. via the Demon Core experiments, where a critical mass of fissile material was brought together via manual means and the end result was the release of enough radiation to kill at least two people (albeit certainly not killing them instantly) but no explosion.

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          This has been explored to death, e.g. via the Demon Core experiments

          If I’m not mistaken, in case of the demon core accidents, the reaction was always interrupted by the experimenter frantically separating the two halves, right? Doesn’t mean it would detonate, but using it as an example of why it wouldn’t doesn’t seem to check out if I’m remembering correctly.

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            The point is that even bringing the parts together until a critical state was reached, the material did not explode. If the Demon Core were left in its critical state like that but otherwise undisturbed, it surely would have melted but would not have gone off like an atom bomb.

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              To my understanding, you can’t really do more than bring the parts together in a compact arrangement and keep them like that, so if the demon core would stay together (and not, say, get blown apart by the release of energy), then the issue would be a lack of fissile material (or reflectors), no?

              See also an image of a nuclear bomb design (I think Little Boy) from Wikipedia, which illustrates the idea of sliding a rod of fissile material into a hollow cylinder, though the bomb did it in reverse. I think the design might be obsolete due to inefficiency, and it might need the tough shell to hold it together (and act as a neutron reflector).

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    This is the same JD Vance that repeatedly falsely claimed immigrants were eating cats and dogs in his home state, is it not?

    I’m not saying a nuclear suicide vest couldn’t be done. I’m just saying, JD Vance has claimed lots of things.

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        Does it negatively affect my billionaire friends? …is the only question they care about

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        If it might lower the number of children they could sexually assault, Republicans will definitely care.

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      ‘Iran could develop time travel and kill Milton Friedman!’ JD Vance

      ‘Iran could develop zero point energy and antigravity tech to leave the planet to die in the hellscape we’ve gleefully created while they travel the cosmos!’ JD Vance

      ‘Iran could develop couches that chop off dicks!’ JD Vance

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    Iran could turn their front line soldiers into beings of pure energy and they could rip the life force right out of a tank.

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      Dont underestimate the stupidity of their target audience, and the arrogant complacency of his opposition. Its why we have him in the first place. Twice. Half of the second group is still probably going to sit out the primaries and midterms.

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      Yeah where are the fantastic usa spindoctors? I mean I hate them as much as anyone else but it’s curious they are no longer around.

      Maybe just maybe the trump administration thinks they are so smart and don’t need them? Huffing their own propaganda?

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    JD Vance, also known as a couch fucker, could develop pubic hair within the next 15 years, endangering his aim while peeing as he won’t be able to find his micropenis anymore and won’t be able to shave it out of fear of shaving his micropenis off. Couches would finally be safe.

    Spread the word.

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    USA could develop a more fuckable couch, and ride us of one problem, but here we are.

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      Kinda wild, I vividly remember getting on a plane to Disney with my grandparents as a child (Pre 9/11). My grandpa had a swiss army knife on him when we went through security. I asked him how he was able to get that through, and he said it’s a small knife; nothing to worry about. It’s legal as long as it’s smaller than my palm. I said what if someone brought a knife like that and stabbed the pilot. He laughed it off and said I watch too much TV. Then 9/11 happened and guess how they did it? How did 8 year old me have more sense than whoever was running airports in those days?

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        Pre-9/11 security in American airports was wild to me. There had been a load of plane hijackings in Europe before my time so it was always fairly locked down but I distinctly remember San Diego airport you could basically walk in off the street and nearly be at the plane when people were disembarking in the late 90s.

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          I used to get really really high as a teenager and go walk around the airport and people watch as a teenager. No one checked shit. And this was at one of the busiest airports in the world.

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            Dude, I heard this story once about a kid that got separated from his family at the airport, they went to Miami and he ended up in NYC.

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          Yeah we had a handful of hijackings in the US too.

          We didn’t care until brown people did it.

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            It had much less to do with the attackers race, and much more to do with the fact that prior to 9/11, aircraft hijackings were primarily done for ransom, not to use the plane as a weapon for a mass casualty event.

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              Yeah, before that it was uncommon enough and the stakes were so low that it was probably just cheaper to comp everyone involved and call it the cost of doing business.

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        I accidentally brought handcuffs into a flight on August 2001. The TSA agent who found them asked what I planned to do with them.

        Being a teenager, the answer was obviously that I kept them in my jacket to pull them out and show my high-school friends how quirky and cool I was. But being a teenager, I didn’t realize how endearing that response would be, so I blurted out the first thing that came to mind, which was somehow better and worse.

        “I’m visiting my girlfriend!”

        She gave me a slow blink and said “Well, alright then, go get your freak on!” (Or something of a similar sentiment - time has robbed me of the exact phasing.)

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        Airport security pre-9/11 was pretty horrendous. Hijackings were surprisingly common compared to today, but the difference was that it was usually for a ransom and/or demanding that the plane go somewhere else. This led to a general policy of just going along with hijackers and letting the authorities deal with it later. The most famous example of this kind of scenario is D. B. Cooper.

        An important thing to remember about Aviation in general is that every lesson is written in blood. This leads me to PSA 1771. In 1987 a disgruntled former airline employee got on plane, shot his boss and the flight crew, then intentionally crashed the plane killing everyone else. This incident was entirely caused by the poor security practices at the time. The perpetrator’s employee ID hadn’t been taken back when he was fired and because he had those credentials he was able to get on the plane without being searched.

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          but the difference was that it was usually for a ransom and/or demanding that the plane go somewhere else.

          “Where do you wanna go man?”
          “Right where this plane was meant to go FOUR HOURS AGO”

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        The problem wasn’t the knife regulation. We should allow such tiny knives on planes. They’re harmless. You can go to a fancy restaurant in the airport and get served steak with a steak knife. You can bring an object with a glass piece in it, smash the glass once you’re passed security, and have a small bladed weapon that way. You can bring in dull metal and file into a sharp edge on the tile of the floor of the family bathroom prison shive style. It’s trivially easy to get such a small bladed weapon inside the security cordon. Hell, some people have finger nails that are more dangerous than those knives.

        The real impactful change after 9/11 was reinforcing the cockpit doors, and putting in regulations requiring them to remain closed and locked during flight. That was the real impactful change. The TSA’s just security theater.

        Both you and your grandpa were right. But you both missed the real solution.

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    Why would having it be in a vest be useful, so it’s concealed until you’re really close? Like, it’s a fucking nuke, it’s not like you need to get in particularly close for it to have the intended effect.

    Like, he’s just mashing the image of a suicide bomber in with the fear of nukes to strike as many “panic! danger! scary!” notes as possible.

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    Maybe a dirty bomb with nuclear materials, but an actual fission bomb on a vest? No. Never mind they don’t have the enriched fuel, never mind just building a working device would be extremely difficult for them and that would be large like the Hiroshima bomb.

    This is Iraq Weapons of Mass Distraction all over again. Fuck this administration.

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      The US made, in its dr. strangelove years, 2100 “davey crocket” backpacks that were 51lbs. The suicide vest is an arab insurgent tool, and meant to be much more discrete.

      Iran is pretty good at missiles, and 4 weeks ago, and for last 30 years, was supposedly 2 weeks away from a nuke, as well as having a thing against Israel.

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        A backpack device is BIG. It could not be concealed like a suicide vest. It also requires nuclear materials (plutonium) and a specialty implosion design and triggers Iran does not have.

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          An Atomic Demolition Munition was nearly the size of a 55-gallon drum and came in two(?) pieces – the weapon itself and the equipment to detonate it – for making it easier to transport.

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            The SADM is 4 pieces, each weighing 18kg.

            Nobody’s walking around with a nuke vest. Why bother? Bomb vests are made so you can walk into a crowded place. With a nuke, just drive it in a truck in the targeted neighborhood.

            This is just Vance trying to scare some support into the disaster that Trump started to make us forget about Epstein.

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        yeah the idea that Iran would use humans as delivery mechanism for nuclear weapons is a form of racist fetishization. it’s maddening, this man. but then. i’m appalachian. i’m the hillbilly that racist carpet son of a bitch hayseed spoke ill of in his book. and i swear to GOD that man put soap in the cast iron skillet i’m gonna hit him in the face with

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          Sounds like US should bomb Israel or JD Vance. NYC terrorist plot, and Assassination/intimidation attempt against peace intermediaries in Pakistan… just yesterday. NATO has essentially confirmed that Israel is far more likely to have sent missiles to target/destroy Diego Garcia base than Iran, all to fake scare on Iran’s missile range. That’s just this week.

          From genocide, to pager attacks, JFK, 9/11, to lies determining warmongering, Israel is not a friend to even American empire (independent of its bribed administrators) much less Americans. It uses controlling violence against America, and much more dangerous than any other nation… if we just need a war for war’s sake.

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      It is actually possible, though it would stretch the definition of “vest.” It’s not something that can really fit on a vest, but I suppose you could hide it in a fat suit, a wheelchair, or a fake pregnancy belly.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W54

      The W54 was a 1 kiloton bomb that weighed a bit over 50 lbs. It was built to be a man-portable demolition charge. It’s certainly possible for something like that to be built in a way that could be concealed on your person.

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          Yeah. I’m imagining a suicide bomber wearing a huge fat suit like Mike Myers wore when played Fat Bastard. Just a giant fake belly with a literal nuclear bomb concealed inside.

          Though really, I think the real problem with a “nuclear suicide vest” is simple practicality. Like, what’s the actual point? The whole point of a suicide vest is to be able to smuggle explosives into an area where they’ll do the most damage. A guy holding a bomb in his hands won’t be let into a crowded bus. Someone holding a pipe bomb is going to cause people to run away from them screaming. A suicide vest bomber seeks to sneak into a crowded space densely packed with many people. Suicide bombers need to get close to large numbers of people. They need a bomb that can be concealed on their person. Otherwise they end up doing no more damage than someone could with a handgun.

          But a nuke? You don’t need to sneak the nuke into the stadium. You set it off five blocks away. It doesn’t need to be concealed. If you want to deliver a terrorist nuking, you would instead load it on the back of a truck with heavy radiation shielding. You don’t try to sneak it in to a crowded location. You just try to drive it into a dense urban area or near a critical piece of infrastructure and hope to not set off any radiation detectors along the way. A nuclear truck bomb is a reasonable fear. A nuclear suicide vest is laughable.

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          Hey sexy! Is that a rocket in your poc…holy shit! That’s a godamn big whatever it is!

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        It’s not something that can really fit on a vest, but I suppose you could hide it in a fat suit, a wheelchair, or a fake pregnancy belly.

        Maybe that’s why people keep backing away from Trump. It’s not incontinence, it’s their dosimeter badges.

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        They cannot build a W54. This would be an early prototype device and that would not fit on a vest. Iran only has enriched uranium, not plutonium (according to news reports). It takes a great deal more uranium than plutonium to build a bomb. About 65ish kilos of +90% enriched for a uranium bomb.

        The W54 is a shaped charge implosion device. To build a W54, they’d need plutonium. And the trigger to detonate shaped charges at the right time in the right order. Plus, they need a neutron moderator to limit criticality so it doesn’t detonate with the full potential of the nuclear material. This is all well beyond Iran’s capabilities.

        Russia could do it though. Probably China too. North Korea? I think not.

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      Gun-type nukes are relatively easy to make and can be pretty compact. The hard part is getting the plutonium

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        I’m not a nuclear weapons designer, I’ve just read some books. But my understanding is that shaped charge implosion is better for Pu designs. It does require much less material to reach criticality. Maybe 8-9kg? vs 65kg for a U device. But I don’t think Iran has been refining Pu, just U.

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        He has a shootable face. Fuck fascists. He isn’t a political rival, or someone to be debated in the marketplace of ideas, he is my enemy, an existential threat who espouses every characteristic deplorable in humans, he is ideologically opposite of me in every way, and seeks to control or kill me and those like me, just like his child raping lunatic partner.

        Ban me for speaking truth and I’ll go somewhere else, heck, that’s why I just came here from reddit.

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        spez has AI moderation bots automatically set to permaban anyone even remotely talking of destroying Nazis and Kluxers, so we have a lot of us ending up here, and with that is now the chilling effect.

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    Normally I get angry at these pathological liars but this lie is so absurdly stupid that it’s actually funny.

    Imagine someone driving their van to a parking lot near the white house and then going “Welp, better strap on my suicide nuke that will obliterate the entire city. I see no other way of doing this.”

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      I mean, people do strap on conventional explosive vests and set them off in crowds. That is not the absurd part.

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        I think their point is that the van was a much easier storage vessel, with room and penetration power. Getting out of the van and walking 30 feet has miniscule change on the effects of a munition that’s blast radius and fallout are so large.

        The entire idea of a vest/backpack/portable device would be more so you can get behind enemy lines by say parachute or such. Although there is no point of a parachute as you don’t need to cushion your fall, and no need of the person if someone was already letting you leave said flying device.

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        That’s because thats the only way it can work with low power explosives slapped together by some group with limited resources.