The self-immolation, the most non-violent form of protest, no longer works. After Aaron Bushnell that I have heard about, there ware two more attempts that I didn’t. (Matt Nelson and Samuel Mena Jr)
Recent events have shown us that violent protest still works, but it got me thinking; When was the last time someone resigned from position of power due to social pressure?
I have this hunch that shame worked in the past, but now PR departments and relentless pursuit of money has removed social acceptance from an equation.
Al Franken comes to mind. Especially because he shouldn’t have resigned
Furthermore, a certain mediocre Democratic woman senator felt she needed a “me too” scalp to burnish her credentials for a run for president. As a result of her unwarranted sense of her usefulness, one of the best Senators in my lifetime says “fuck this noise” and resigned. While her useless self is still in the senate.
Franken could have come back but I think he resigned and has stayed gone because fuck that shit. If people want to be shitty and bay for blood like animals over stupid shit, then fuck all y’all. Can’t say I blame him. Plus nobody had the balls to stand with him while it was happening.
yup. its like the big ruckus is him pantomiming grabbing a sleeping female soldiers boobs at a distance using the visual illusion of the camera. I mean the guy was a comedian. This was a legitate joke thing and he was there to lift moral and entertain.
Making sexual jokes about a coworker without their consent is called sexual harassment. Especially if you photograph this joke so your coworker can be repeatedly humiliated as it’s passed around.
Good thing its not a co worker but I show. My work had a show with a comedian that made crass jokes. As for humiliation part of the joke was she was wearing a flak jacket. even if someone was grabbing someones chest with a flak jacket on neither one would feel anything either way. Its just convention at that point. Seriously go look up the pictures of the incident. It was stupid it was ever an issue. I did not hear anything about complaints from person in the picture. Since the election there have been things about problems with democrats and I would say this is a big one. Reactions more prudish than the most tight assed of religious folks but only if its a certain type of thing. If you had the same thing imply cupping some guys balls it would have resulted in nothing.
It was a coworker, she was another comedian on tour with him, not a soldier. If they had been working in an office he would have been fired immediately and she could have sued the company.
That makes it less not more of an issue. Comedian with a comedy picture. A comedian should certainly get this type of foolery and its benefit. I thought it was a soldier because of the flak jacket honestly but I guess all of them were given them just in case.
Humilating women isn’t funny. “It’s just a joke” isn’t an excuse for harassment.
Again if it was a guy and cupping the balls it would have never been a thing. Its not an excuse because they are a comedy troop. Look. We each have opinions on these and we each think each others is shit and we are not going to convince each other. If it was a bar conversation we would go talk with other people and that is what im going to do now. Im not going to convince you and you not me. We are of two different camps on this.
There’s another term called “having a stick up your ass” that’s coming to my mind now for some reason.
Because it’s what the bad guy in every sexual harassment training video says just before his female coworker reports him to HR?
No, because the woman in the Al Franken case was a fellow performer and comedian, and that’s part of their world. Recasting it as general sexual harassment as if we’re blind to all the circumstances is just torches and pitchforks. I agree with the other person here who believes Franken resigned because “Fuck this shit” and not because of being guilty of anything actually evil. And no, this opinion does not generalize to “every guy accused of sexual harassment” - see my first sentence and apply actual brain cells.
Also Anthony Weiner.
I dunno if “shame” is the right word, but Liz Truss resigned as Prime Minister of the United Kingdom a couple of years ago after only 50-ish days in office and said it was because she couldn’t deliver on the issues she campaigned on.
She was forced out by the banks after her and her friend’s economic announcement tanked the pound on the currency markets overnight.
She showed no shame, and continues to rant and rave about the whole affair if anyone gives her half a chance.
She also flew out to the US to hitch her wagon to Trump’s during the election campaign.
The best thing that Truss gave us was the Lettuce that will go down in historyl
Al Franken
I would rather have a good person who made a mistake, than a bad person has yet to admit one.
I personally don’t think he should have resigned. A principled person can feel shame while the unprincipled likely don’t/can’t/won’t. I’m still not sure whether or not his hand was forced by the DNC or not.
If I remember correctly, there were a few other sexual harassment scandals that had come out around that time, and although the others were much worse, everyone had called for them to step down, and of course, we have to follow the rules even when nobody else does.
There’s probably a million examples in Japan
Today alone!
See well that’s the problem. They don’t have shame.
It was more complicated than just shame I think, but Egypt’s President Hosni Mubarak resigned after 18 straight days of public demonstrations in 2011. He was properly pushed out of power, but of course his successors haven’t been much better.
Happens all the time in US school districts. Random student does something life ruining, parents demand a sacrifice, so the butcher the principal or superintendent on the alter of public education and find someone else to run the show. You could also listen to a local radio staion, there is always some scandal in local government in any stations coverage area, but these are all small fry.
Also to your first point, that is literally the message at the end of South Park 200 & 201 and that was made over a decade ago. I dont agree with it… But they right.
Al Franken was pressured out of congress for a bunch of spurious ‘sexual’ allegations before he had a chance to defend himself. Mostly 'holding a waist wrong during a photo op or accusations of unwanted kissing, but with scant details and mostly presented as misunderstandings. Hell, most of them sounded like someone considering regular photo op posing to be scandalous as none of the allegations included someone saying he was being coy or hinting that it was intentional, just 'bumped a body part that is common during a photo op and that he held still while the photo was being taken…
Yes, we should trust accusers long enough to look into issues, but that doesn’t mean someone shouldn’t be able to defend themselves against the allegations. Franken was railroaded out of congress by Dems before he had a chance to defend himself.
well, there was this.Still not as bad as some others have done who are still in office.
Like the sex offenders on SCOTUS, who actually physically molested or raped women instead of a little off color humor that would be fine between good friends but could be crossing boundaries.
We don’t need whataboutism, we need them all gone.
Literally like a week ago the transport secretary resigned because of a fraud case from 2014.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louise_Haigh
(She says she did nothing morally wrong, and it was just an accident but was advised by her lawyer to plead guilty because she technically was guilty. She allegedly lost her phone, reported it stolen, then found the phone again so reporting it stolen was fraudulent.)
It seems a bit dumb to me, and it was over 10 years ago so who cares, but she stepped down because she thought that the whole scandal surrounding that the media kicked up was more trouble than its worth to the new Labour government. So actually maybe she didn’t resign out of shame? Hmm…
Well, I’ve typed all this out now so I’ll let you all decide what to think of it haha
Good people do it fairly often, but of course that only makes their former employer worse
Al franken.
You could say Biden did
Richard Nixon.
He could’ve been stubborn and fought with everyone about how much of a crook he claims of not being for years. But, he knew he was in the wrong and took the advice to resign.
he knew he was in the wrong.
Which isn’t why he resigned. He did that to avoid being convicted.
Which is why I said he was advised to resign. If nobody got into his ear to tell him, he’d probably be figuring other ways to avoid or make it so he can’t be convicted.
Sorry. Finals week.
Only to avoid the humiliation of being impeached. He waited until they informed him they had the votes, so I don’t think this is the best example.
Dang. How sad is it that I’d rather have Nixon moving in next month?
Pat Gelsinger
That dude was fired.
Not sure what pressures exactly this guy faced to lead him to shift his career, but previously a VP at Cigna and now admitting to lies and propaganda. I’ve been seeing this pop up repeatedly the last two days.
The next one that comes to mind is Boeing CEO Calhoun stepping down, allegedly his choice.
https://apnews.com/article/boeing-ceo-calhoun-0abff1ccc6262ffb03f97c6a619bd1ec
