In commemoration of the upcoming Transgender Day of Visibility (TDOV), President Joe Biden issued a statement praising trans people’s contributions to society and describing actions his administration has taken to counter transphobic bullying and extremism. Additionally, many members of Biden’s Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) also issued their own statements affirming that community health depends on supporting trans people too.
“Transgender Americans are part of the fabric of our Nation,” Biden wrote in his statement. “Whether serving their communities or in the military, raising families or running businesses, they help America thrive. They deserve, and are entitled to, the same rights and freedoms as every other American, including the most fundamental freedom to be their true selves.”
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You’re either a troll or blind AF
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Substantiate this, motherfucker
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Textbook sealioning.
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Legit question. Is sea lioning the same as trolling? Or is it more specific? I have only heard of the term recently.
It’s a specific form of trolling/bad-faith argument based on this comic. The idea behind sealioning is that you feign politeness and badger someone with seemingly-simple questions (that in reality require spending a sizable amount of time to answer) to get them to try to debate you. This can take the form of asking someone to elaborate a point, or provide citations to support a claim. If the victim takes the bait and responds legitimately, the troll ignores most of the message, claims any citations are invalid for some reason (biased source, misrepresenting what the article says, or just ignoring it exists entirely). The troll then cherry picks a few statements, and asks more questions about those, continuing the cycle, If the victim refers to previous posts, the troll pretends it either didn’t happen or didn’t actually answer their question (it did). If the victim refers to previously linked articles, the troll dismisses them and insists the victim provides “better” articles (that the troll will also dismiss out of hand). If the victim ever tells the troll to fuck off, the troll claims the moral high road and says they just “want a civil discussion” and “reasoned debate” over the topic.
The goal is something like a reverse Gish Gallop. Where a gish gallop aims to overwhelm the victim with more arguments than can be addressed quickly in the hope that your opponent can’t/won’t take the time to respond and walk away, allowing you to claim victory, sealioning aims to trick the victim into spending hours writing a messages that you can respond to in under a minute with a few simple questions, creating a kind of denial-of-service attack.
Cool. Thanks.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning
That comic link was good, too.
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LMFAO where did you even get this
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seems to me they are not saying they are the same, but that they are both doing bad things.
ah, you weren’t being genuine
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spamming your (irrelevant) links is not the mark of genuine engagement.
bothesidesing is not necessarily saying they are the same. i don’t recall ever seeing someone actually say both sides are the same.
Your in-/ability to recall information is not evidence.
In fact, why don’t you prove to us that you can’t recall information. Please.
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https://kolektiva.social/users/bigMouthCommie/statuses/112181077173838043
that doesn’t say they are the same
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It’s a shame this comment is so far down because it is an incredible burn
You literally said “both sides are bad” in what I linked. You can continue to try to argue the semantics of your exact phrasing and vocabulary, but your intention is both clear and insufferable, no matter how much you try to deny it.
it’s bad to have your arm hacked off with a hatchet or sliced off with a chainsaw. they are not the same, though.
Here’s 3 examples from just a single thread that I was a part of not too long ago (I’d have more but I don’t actively save threads/comments regarding this topic so this is from a thread I could find via my replies that wasn’t deleted).
Better not acknowledge this, I might be wrong lmao
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Maypull said very little in their response so, I’m sure you can add something if you try.
the first two certainly appear to be doing it, but without context, it is hard to say. the third explicitly said one is worse
The context is that it was a thread where people were debating whether people ever say that both sides are the same, which devolved into a debate over whether both sides are the same in some places. I’m not sure how saying they’re like Sarumon vs Sauron is explicitly saying one is worse in the third one, considering this was in response to a meme comparing them to Sarumon vs Gandalf. Aragorn in this comparison is their equivalent of a third party.
theses are all in the same thread? can you link it?
Well I’m trying to avoid sending anyone after the commenters en mass hence why I censored them but if you look in my comment history you can find the thread about a month back.
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I see it every day on socials.
oh? where?
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Hi. I see today is your first day on the Internet. Welcome!
Here is you agreeing with a comment that includes the quote “How are they different from republicans? How is biden different than trump?” just yesterday
https://kolektiva.social/users/bigMouthCommie/statuses/112181807694426359
strictly, they are asking how they are different, not stating that they are the same.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhetorical_question
i think this is probably a fair point, but i also think it’s notable that this person was at the end of a long conversation and clearly emotionally distraught. if you pointed out this thread to them, they’d say “of course they’re not the same, but neither is acceptable” or some variation. and i think that’s a fair position to have.
Then they should’ve just clearly pointed out their problems with Biden (Gaza) and then said that’s why they wouldn’t vote for him.
The only purpose of ever comparing the Republicans and the Democrats and implying they’re the same is to weaponize leftist hate for the Republicans against the Democrats, right before the most consequential election of the century so far.
People have absolutely been doing that, I see it constantly here.
With the benefit of the doubt, this statement is just incredibly ignorant. More likely it’s a straight-up lie though
can you show someone doing this?
Some examples for those reading:
“Both Sides Threaten Democracy”
“Biden Is Just As Bad As Trump”
“Even the libs have accepted at this point Biden can’t even do worse than Trump when it comes to supporting this Genocide. As Biden is 100% all in on Genociding every last Palestinian.”
“Fuck Biden and Fuck Trump. At this point Biden full well knows the Genocide he’s in for. He seems to care more about flattening Rafah than “saving American Democracy”. The libs thinking they can shame people into voting for Genocide are the reason Biden thinks he can keep doing this.”
“Both parties are the same on Israel. But democrats will throw in a little lip service here and there, mild fake condemnation.”
“Candidate 2: I’m going to give guns and money to the person killing ponies but tell them they shouldn’t do it. Leftist: Either way ponies are going to be killed. Let’s try something different. Centrist: Noooo, you have to vote for the proxy pony killer who can’t use his position to do anything or else you’ll get a pony killer in power who’ll use his position to do everything.”
Relevant wikipedia page:
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You yourself do that, constantly. But such lies are your kind’s bread and butter.
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He means trolls
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I see it plenty of times from Republicans. They either love trump or are saying that both sides are equally corrupted (typically when trump does something indefensible)
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Because one is orange and the other isn’t?
And no, they are not equally corrupt. But thank you for the self-report
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And you still aren’t. How brave. Are you by any chance a fan of Tim Pool?
Democrats have their bad apples, but Republicans are a totally different league.
Also when a scandal happens with a Democrat their voters don’t have any qualms with disowning them, while in the same scenario Republicans will be looking for excuses like the one mentioned above.
Is this your first day on Lemmy? Have you ever been on a lefty subreddit in your life?
this is rhetoric, not evidence
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You’re right, @lemmywinks@discuss.online insists Trump is better
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Yeah, I’m sorry. To continue this conversation would be unfair to you.
They are exactly the same.
(bear with me folks, I just wanna see how the troll’s algorithm handles it)