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    Haven’t they always done this for corporate customers with EoL products?

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      In this case machines sold as recently as 2020 are not supported and for the for the last 8 years since 10 came out old computers were less obsolete than in prior eras as SSD were already common and other than gaming or specialized apps computer software hadn’t become notably heavier.

      Basically many of those now forcibly obsolete machines bought as late as 2020 would have been expected to be in service for years yet either as primary machines or hand me downs. Basically much bitching will be heard.

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    Phrased differently: Microsoft announces the end of support for a product. If you want to pay for it, they will make an exception and continue to support it just for you.

    I understand people dislike Windows 11, but complaining about life cycle management isn’t going to help that.

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        This is absolutely nothing new, and the workaround is usually just a small registry tweak so Windows Update pulls from the extended support patches “channel”. Same thing happened with Vista, 7, and 8.

        Alternatively there are ways to download from the Windows Update servers using plenty of third party tools. It’s a neccessity if you’re going to streamline patches into your install media to save the post install mess of waiting for it to download and install all the updates that have come out since they first made the install .iso

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        I’m pretty sure Microsoft has been patching pirated copies of Windows for decades at this point.

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      Should have figured it was clickbait. They’ve done this with several previous versions after EOL security support ended AFAIK.

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    Is this news? This is expected, it’s what they did with 7 and XP after those reached full EOL, which happened on the day they said it would for 7 at the time 7 launched, and a few years after the date they said when XP launched.

    The 2025 date has been known since 2015 when 10 launched and is the standard Microsoft ten year support cycle for operating systems.

    And yet, in spite of this, every single time the tech media published these breathless and shocked articles about how horrible it is that Microsoft is suddenly dropping support for their ten year old systems.

    These articles are like clockwork. I’d say we’ll be getting them for Windows 11 in about seven or eight years, but they have a new “modern” lifestyle they’ve adopted for it that’s more based on last major update release or something and it’ll probably come sooner than that this time around.

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      Although I generally agree with the sentiment the problem here is that most computers can’t be upgraded to windows 11 and that pretty much never happened before.

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        Doubt that most cannot run W11. Unless you have a CPU before 2018 you should have TPM 2.0 and if you do not, you can bypass that requirement with 1 reg value. This officiall bypass still requires TPM 1.2, but most probably have it.

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          I’m still rocking an i7-4790K from 2016 with a 3070Ti and 32GB DDR3. While I know my rig is due a refresh, there isn’t a game or VR game or program I’ve thrown at it that it can’t handle properly.

          But I can’t upgrade to Win11 because no TPM 2.0. And I don’t have 1000$ to throw in a new mobo + gen 12/13/14 CPU + DDR5 + M.2.

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            Googled a bit, not 100% sure but seems that CPU does not seem to have TPM at all so kind of out of luck. Motherboard does not have it either? In theory you could add it, no idea about cost.

            Have never tested, but I remember there being methods to install W11 to any HW. No idea if afterwards everything works as expected, maybe give it a read and test in VM first.

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      Generally I would agree with you, as the 10 year lifecycle you described is what’s to be expected. With Windows 10 however, Microsoft said on release it would be the last Windows and they move to windows-as-a-service. So Windows 10 not being the last Windows and the upgrade path being closed by default for many older PCs is newsworthy.

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        Microsoft never said that, though. One person said that and tech media ran with it like it was gospel (and Microsoft didn’t correct it, which is absolutely their fault, but still, that was never an official statement but apparently something that was just poorly phrased)

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      It’s different this time because of the tpm + other requirements of W11.

      In the past it was never a big deal and people who didn’t upgrade from xp or 7 could be labeled as luddites because MS provided an easy and even free upgrade path.

      But for the first time ever, anything older than 7 years isn’t supported.

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    I live in a 3rd world country and I can promise you that this is going to lead to a large percentage of the population using an insecure version of Windows 10 or just using mobile devices.

    I doubt many people here will switch to Linux, but I can only hope. Maybe businesses will do that instead of buying new hardware. Recently, I saw a shop using Banana Pis as their checkout terminal.

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      Every time this has occurred before, there’s been a very easy registry tweak to make Windows Update pull these “paid extended support” patches for free.

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        MANY devices have hardware that’s just outright not supported by windows 11. Even CPUs just a few years old aren’t supported. I don’t own a single device that supports Windows 11, and my stuff isn’t exactly ancient. I imagine poorer countries have resold/used hardware in the majority of cases that aren’t new enough for it

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          It’s only in place upgrades that are really affected by that. You can still do a clean install on quite old hardware.

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          My last laptop I bought with the top of the line latest CPU at that time, and Windows 10 on it. I think originally that processor wasn’t even going to be supported by anything older than 10, which created a big stink at the time.

          That proc generation isn’t supported by 11, so really, it was only ever a Windows 10 processor.

          I’m generally okay with ending hardware support at some point, but that was really quick to cut off something like the processor that could easily have 10+ years of usable life.