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How Russia is Influencing US Voters. Russian Intelligence Document “Guerrilla Media Campaign in the US” [Translated] Page 5
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And before people say “not Lemmy, we are too small” - It’s pretty obvious that a major Lemmy instance is literally a training ground for these recruits before they get promoted to Facebook and reddit duty (either intentionally or otherwise). There have been a few narratives this election which seem to have been tested out on here weeks before getting to Facebook and reddit. “Blue MAGA” was a pretty obvious one they seemed to workshop on Lemmy.
There are certain actors on Lemmy that I’m betting will disappear after the presidential election cycle or significantly pull back their posting.
Basically fanning the flames of “democrat bad, support israel genocide” while also saying “republican not in power, can’t blame them!”. Genocide is terrible no matter who does it and we shouldn’t pretend Republicans would be any better. In all likelihood, they would be worse.
Always a safe bet
Democrats only want a little genocide, as a treat. Gee, I wonder why people don’t want to vote for that? Must be those darn Russian bots.
I’m not defending their actions. I’m pointing out that there are those that astroturf social media that -only ever point out the negatives of one major political party while completely ignoring the other-.
So since you seem to be reasonable despite your satire and snark, what do you think about the Republicans and how they would handle the ongoing genocide?
Or will you prove my point again for me?
There’s just no point in criticizing the Republican party. Their supporters don’t use forums like this. They almost never leave their respective bubbles. It’s the equivalent of screaming into the void. Republicans bad, Democrats good is one of the oldest forms of online circlejerking. It’s a complete waste of time and effort. Yes, they would likely handle the genocide as poorly or worse than Democrats have so far. If that’s your only point, you’re only bringing attention to something that everyone already knows. It’s so obvious that it doesn’t even need to be said.
The two mainstream political parties in the US exist on an extremely narrow spectrum. Both are neoliberal in philosophy and generally right of center economically. Only the Democrats lean left in social issues, but I find any support there to be completely nullified and undermined by their demented economic policies and rabid war hawking.
I disagree that leaving things unsaid is the best approach to online discussion, especially when it comes to soundbite level social media like Lemmy and Reddit. Doing this puts forth the position that only one thing needs to be said, which is underhanded and intellectually dishonest.
You’re absolutely right that both mainstream parties in the US are closely related in policy, so it is a failure of those arguing against the Israeli genocide to not call this what it is: a governmental policy problem, not a single party problem. Saying “democrat bad, support Israeli genocide” while ignoring the opposite party just because it is not in power is a failure to point out the root cause of the issue. If we don’t want to support any genocide, we need to make sure that no matter what party is in power, it doesn’t happen.
I’ll ignore the fact that you disagree with their economic policies for now and continue to focus on the fact that this is a systematic issue, not one that is beholden to one party or the other.
Is genocide bad? No, it’s the leftists who are Russians.
this is a bit scary as the fediverse is likely a bit more difficult than facebook and such. I hate to think we are training them to well.
It’s pretty obvious that a major Lemmy instance is literally a training ground for these recruits
Is there any evidence to substantiate this claim, or are we doing the “Everyone on the instance I don’t like is a Russian bot, because they disagree with me” line of reasoning?
“Blue MAGA” was a pretty obvious one they seemed to workshop on Lemmy.
Wasn’t this in response to the dead-end Biden guys who were growing increasingly hysterical as he tanked out in the polls? Lemmy’s gotten significantly more normal since Harris took the top of the ticket and the numbers have rebounded.
Nah, more like “Russian bots exist and some people I disagree with are Russian bots.” Which is pretty much the entire premise of the article.
It’s also pretty easy to tell the difference IMO. The trolls tend to just do nothing but troll and flame. They don’t really spend much time engaging on other topics.
As far as why I think Lemmy is a training ground? Call it a hunch. Obviously I don’t have a notarized letter from a troll farm saying that they are in control of a certain worldnews forum, but a lot of the usual suspects fit a bit too neatly into that box to not raise an eyebrow. There are some other patterns as well but its definitely all circumstantial.
It’s also pretty easy to tell the difference IMO.
Sounds like something a bot would say.
Is there any evidence to substantiate this claim, or are we doing the “Everyone on the instance I don’t like is a Russian bot, because they disagree with me” line of reasoning?
It’s option B in all cases.
Yep, i’ve noticed their rhetoric has gotten bad on the Memes sub. I just unsubbed there actually. 196 is more fun anyways.
The .ml memes sub is so infuriating at times.
Don’t be silly. Those comms are filled with people who could no longer stand reddit-brained commenters shouting all the pro-US propaganda.
The belief that all political dissenters of the DNC are somehow trained or foolish monkeys tricked by the wiles of a foreign country is itself a powerful propaganda point. Now i don’t expect you to believe that just cuz i said it, but if i were right, what might such propaganda achieve? Does it perhaps cause you to consider all criticisms of the DNCs policies as “russian prop” and then not read more? If it does, is it a "thought terminating cliche? "
After all, you believe it somehow (even though thinking through it would dismiss the idea as ridiculous) and i bet you’re a smart person generally.
You might think I’m a ruskie no matter what but consider my POV. I left reddit because i couldn’t stand the politics there, only to have those politics follow me and scream that im some agiprop to fool them.
No, no, i don’t want anything to do with the childish US-centric worldview of reddit. Its not about them cats, i did it for my sanity, cuz the shit redditors say hurts my soul. I leave to find people who think like i do only to have the most strident screamers follow me. No, screamers, you arent my target, you goldarn children are my endless headache
I don’t want people to change their politics i want them to stop filling my feed and inbox with stupid bullshit.
I mean the US gets to shape the narrative everywhere else by making the social companies to do so, but the people removed about how they’re being manipulated in return is always going to be hilarious.
Lemmy is being overrun by brainwashed wankies more than anything.
There have been a few narratives this election which seem to have been tested out on here weeks before getting to Facebook and reddit. “Blue MAGA” was a pretty obvious one they seemed to workshop on Lemmy
can you post some links?
Lemmy is being overrun by brainwashed wankies more than anything.
It’s all the same people who comment on YouTube and post ForwardsFromGrandma on Facebook. Its not like there’s some secret reserve of “normal” people that are being diluted. Americans are going to American, whether they’re cheer leading our invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan, freaking out over a gay couple trying to buy a wedding cake, or marching around Charlottesville with torches.
These assholes are everywhere. And when you call them on their bullshit, their knee-jerk response is “You’re anti-American! No aktuly you’re the extremist! You’re either with us or you’re with the Terrorists! You’re not even a real person, you must be an elaborate engineered computer program / insincere paid special agent specifically tasked with tricking me into questioning my preconceptions!”
Implying that folks are “brainwashed” assumes they had some better prior understanding of the world that was subsequently overwritten by a nefarious evil agent. But this baseline ultra-nationalism is the original conception we’re raised with. American Exceptionalism is the norm and believing in it is for normies.
They’re not the freaks and weirdos and wankies for adhering to this very cloistered understanding of the world. We’re the freaks for questioning it, for interrogating it, and god-fucking-help-us-all rejecting it.
In order for this work to be effective, you need to use a minimum of fake news and a maximum of realistic information. At the same time, you should continuously repeat that this is what is really happening, but the official media will never tell you about it or show it to you.
Yep, that last sentence pretty much sums up right-wing media, especially since “Candidate A”
who is definitely not Trump, shhhran for office around 2016.Hero.
Gee, I wonder what the censored bits actually say. It’s a total mystery.
So basically the Russian government branch of Fox news.
Fox News IS the conservative plutocracy’s STATE propaganda network. The only difference is they created the state media before they seized control of the state.
They’re the same picture.
‘In the fox news style’
Hmmm 🤔
Also interesting how much they count on white grievances and making white people feel attacked. It’s almost like these things make you easier to manipulate.
“Manga editorial office”??
Russia has learned the power of Japan.
Mistranslation of “Maga”?
Given that the other two are text and video, I’m going to guess it should be image.
I was thinking some variant of “illustration” or “graphic design”
Isn’t manga chinese art? I’m pretty sure it’s referring to that instead of maga
Manga is Japanese comic books; the “print version of anime” if you will. Lots of anime is based on manga.
It doesn’t make any sense in the context of the document, though; which why I wonder if it was a mistaken translation
It makes more sense than maga though. I don’t forsee them changing an english acronym into cyrillic, and that is the only way there could have been an error
That puzzled me too.
It’s really ‘Manga’ in what I read in the end of the alleged original doc. Can’t judge it yet, but it seems weird.
Yes, these are the weakest possible threats that absolutely pale in comparison to the unfettered zionist propaganda coming from almost every USAian news source and almost every USAian politician.
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This is the most moronic timeline.
Must be a trip to work in the department of memes and propaganda as a memesmith
Maybe it’s time to return the favor.
I wonder if Russians are aware of the ways Putin enriches himself off of Russian poverty and suffering. Let’s make sure they know how to solve that problem.
They aren’t but they don’t care.
You can’t comprehend how psychologically broken Russians are, they’ve had centuries of lies with 0 truth, they just learned to accept whatever, because they know the alternative could always be a gunshot (or open window nowadays).
Maybe it’s time to return the favor.
“Maybe it’s time”…as if we aren’t already? Lol
What do you think the entire purpose of the CIA is? And radio free Europe?
The video editoral needs an union.
3-4 images a day is chill. 3-4 videos is insane.
Yeah lol. I can make 3-4 shitty memes in 30 mins.
The West should just adopt the same tactics for Russian social media channels (VK, Telegram, etc), regular civilian groups if the state does not want to resort to it. Feed Russia some of their own medicine.
I have no doubt that the USA has fingers in the pie of public sentiments elsewhere.
You should look up regime change and color revolution. The US openly speaks about subverting and supplanting democratic governments in other countries if they don’t align with their foreign policy goals. And they have done it many times.
What Russia is doing is despicable but “they learned it from watching US”.
Color revolution = “What do you mean those countries don’t want to be friends of Russia? Woke culture is out of control: you run a few thousand people over with tanks and they take it personally!”
I wish. But the republicans would never.
I hope you’re aware the West isn’t just the US (or worse, that republicans are in control of the entire West), and neither are the information related to this leak just about the US.
I am, I’m Swiss.
But the fact is by far the most active, successful and offensive western intelligence agencies are in the United States.
You don’t need highly skilled intelligence officers to pour disinformation into social media. The largest hurdle is the language barrier but aside from that it would be doable by people like you and me. The last decade or so really showed how easy it actually is, because there’s just enough gullible useful idiots who buy into this shit, helping to spread it even further.
What I mean more by this is that european intelligence agencies tend to have:
- far stricter limits about what they are allowed to so
- far less funding
Hence why I suggested private groups. We’ve seen it successfully in Germany from the other side with groups like Reconquista Germanica, which completely changed German comment sections to the worse since the refugee crisis. People need to organize and pool their knowledge into their own networks to destabilize Russia.
I’d love to read more about that if you know a source :)
Yes, fascists are in control of white supremacy (aka “the west”). It’s only the nationalist branding that changes.
I see the Putin-bot is still not banned. https://fedia.io/m/technology@lemmy.world/t/951408/Russia-using-Kaliningrad-as-a-base-to-disrupt-EU-satellites/comment/6061366#entry-comment-6061366
“The West” would have to start giving a fuck what goes on in who-gives-a-fuck-istan to have that happen. The warfare is asymmetric because only one side has an open society anyone else is actually interested in. No one in “The West” outside of the CIA ever thinks about Russia when they aren’t putting their dick in the punchbowl.
No one in “The West” outside of the CIA ever thinks about Russia when they aren’t putting their dick in the punchbowl.
They’re literally bathing in the punch bowl for at least a decade+ now. Surely there’s people who do give a fuck. I do.
Oh yeah sorry I missed all the Russian TV, music, electronics, art and culture everyone enjoys in the west. 😂
This document has shaped every little chat I’ve had with every little tankie.
Neato!
So the Russians have discovered marketing…
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