KDE: Welcome to Linux. Do you like the UI of Windows? Well we have an excellent offering for you if that’s your choice. There’s also other DEs that you may select from if that’s your choice.
Windows: Here’s an ad bitch, fuck your choice.
I wish Microsoft kept Windows as a paid product, instead of making it effectively free (with things like free upgrades from older versions) and sticking ads all over the place.
Um Windows 11 Home costs 145€ from ms directly… Free updates yeah, but I’m guessing that’s so people aren’t stuck without updates eventually.
It’s because for Microsoft a user using Windows for free is better than a user using some other OS.
At least when the user uses Windows for free they still tell everyone at work and home that you have to run Windows because there’s just nothing else out there.
I doubt that is a reason most people switch. But I suppose it is a valid concern for Microsoft
Correct, but that’s cost is only if you buy windows 11 for a machine that has never had windows on it,
11 is free for any windows user that has 10. It also comes pre installed on most PCs you buy and very rarely is that cost of the license noted on the device your buying (unless you use the customize settings on an online store)
I’m also pretty sure there are still ways to upgrade to 10 from 7 and 8. Windows did this to make it harder for people to switch to a different OS because most people remember when they had to “pay” to upgrade to the latest version.
It also comes pre installed on most PCs you buy
That’s because you’re paying the manufacturer for the licence and yes they likely get a discount but it’s still a lot of money you could save.
The average consumer either doesn’t go to the manufacturer site or doesn’t care enough to look into alternatives. They want something that gets their school/work done.
As some in the IT field who regularly deals with people that have a 4+ year degree and then tell me they are “tech illiterate” is astounding.
In the past they were hand held so much that the previous techs had a password book of everyone’s password for multiple applications.
Luckily with a lot of pushback from our current members about how insecure and dangerous that is that has changed, but we still have users even after 3 years since the change message us through a depreciated system asking for their password.
The average consumer either doesn’t go to the manufacturer site
Where does the average consumer get their computer then? Also I do know a few people using lubuntu instead of windows on their laptops.
Knowing a few people running lubuntu doesn’t make it an average. That is just a personal bias.
From experience almost all the computers I serviced over the last few years were either bought at Walmart, Best buy or Amazon that could also be a bias, but it spans over multiple cities with a good hundred clients The only time I started to see computers that were consistently bought from the manufacturer is in a business environment. But the specific one I’m in doesn’t support Linux at all within production.
I believe they ended the free update from 7/8 to 10 when windows 11 was introduced. And I doubt ms is still selling windows 10 licenses.
Ah I just checked there used to be a loophole by going through a disability program or using an alternative authentication method provided by Microsoft that would activate the 10 license after the update. Looks like it was patched in September 2023 though.
yeah yeah windows bad. (i completely agree)
Windows serves ads? Where?
Edit: Why are people mad that I don’t see adverts on Windows?
Outside of EU.
Nono Win11 has sponsored apps automatically pinned to start menu (at the latest with the next update) and Win10 has weird things in the search bar promoting ms edge and other things. Also there’s some news thingy in the task bar that’s really annoying to disable (and I forget how to each time)
Oh wow, I’m glad to see there’s other people who are reminded of Plasma by Win 11. As someone who never installed or used it the first time I saw someone using it I made a comment about them using Linux. Until I realized…
Microsoft even copied KDE’s motto “Simple by default, powerful when needed” in their Windows 11 announcement.
How is that legal?
eeh, right, MS’s lawier army vs. KDE dev team. Right by money.
Copying stuff that enhances the UI/UX is something that I’m personally not opposed to but stealing another foundation’s motto is just lame and shameless.
This is hilarious. It really cut me deep. I don’t think I’ve seen Harold used in the Drake format like this either. The look of dejected shame is priceless.
Shouldn’t you lose your linux membership card for something like this?
In Soviet Russia, Arch BTW use you!
In Soviet Russia Astra BTW use you. Seeing how “import-replacement”(read as corpos GTFO with protectionism on top) law is (un)enforced, I lost hope that this will happen.
Chicken isn’t vegan?
Yeah, Windows does really like to copy Plasma, don’t they?
you get ads in kde plasma?
make it like windows 2000 and i won’t have a problem
And you can do that with kde.
Did KDE get a recent makeover? Last I saw, the window decoration still defaults to half rounded and half square. Devs can’t decide which one they like.
Next makeover is in February with Plasma 6.
Don’t worry, Plasma 6 will default to half square and hat rounded instead.
I assume the window decorations are like that because rounding the title bar is safe whereas rounding the bottom of the window has the potential to partly obscure content
Sounds like the good old fucked bootloader after system update
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Linux users realizing Windows is fine.
Windows is not “fine” aside from all the non-UI stuff, they’re UI is annoying and slow to me, they moved things behind extra clicks/commands to make it “clean”- stuff I actually use.
And then there’s the whole tracking usage to drop adds in your notification thing… which is a privacy nightmare.
In fairness KDE has been copying Windows for years. That’s why it has a taskbar, start menu, tray etc.
I guess that’s why Windows stole the KDE motto of “Simple by default, powerful when needed”?
Windows also copied KDE in many areas
Last time I checked X11 came out before Windows 1.0
X11 came out in 1987. Windows 1.0 came out in 1985. Not sure why that is relevant or represents some kind of point since a lot of windowing UIs were emerging around the same time.
X11 came out 1984. Well, ok X(not shitter) came out in 1984. Still.
It didn’t come out in 1984. And that’s without pointing out that X11 is a protocol, not a window manager. I.e. it rendered stuff in a box but didn’t say what to do other than that. It took the likes of xt and window managers et al to place some semblance of widgets on apps and they were still a disconnected mess. The first time X became a “desktop” were things like Solaris, XDE, CDE etc. It was still disjointed dogshit compared to Windows, MacOS, AmigaOS, GEM, RISC OS, OS2 etc. The first time that something approached being a modern desktop was with GNOME and KDE but even those spent a long time getting anywhere close to usable. E.g. GNOME sucked untl GNOME red carpet / later ximian was the first pretty good Linux desktop.
