He also said that the danger posed by another Trump term doesn’t excuse Biden from scrutiny but “actually makes him more subject to scrutiny.”

To leftists and progressives fed up with Biden, particularly his commitment to Israel as it continues to bomb civilians in Gaza, the assessment was not just fair — it was obvious. But more centrist Democrats, including those most likely to have appended “Blue Wave” and “Resistance” labels to their social media accounts in the Trump years, were appalled at what they saw as a betrayal by one of their own.

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    Yes, betrayal - because the US devolved so much into tribalism, that any critique of “their own”, no matter if justified or not, is a betrayal and taboo.

    You see, our side can do no wrong and is perfect. It’s their side that’s wrong, always. We’re the good guys, and they’re the bad guys - how could Jon betray the only side that’s good, noble and completely faultless? That clearly means he’s with them and not with us, because nuance is a foreign loan word that we don’t need, and everything is black and white!

    Fucking sad and depressing - glad I get to look at it from the outside, but still…

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      I’m not American but I can see why the left going after Biden now is not a good idea. It’s just gonna lead to a Trump win. I hate Biden, the guy has blood on his hands from his constant support of the drug war. But you should have thought of that before. Either back him now, and get a better candidate going. Or go after Biden now and lose to Trump. And then you’ll get nothing done.

      Biden should never have been the Democrats pick, Clinton either, but it’s too late for all that now.

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        what happened to “it’s ok if bernie doesn’t win you just gotta vote for biden and push him left when he’s in office” because this is not that.

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          The Inflation Reduction Act did turn out to be the most leftist climate policy in history, and it was so potent that it forced European countries to adopt similar policies too. That’s probably the best example of Biden being pushed left.

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            Leftist means a fundamental restructuring of ownership over the economy and means of production. ‘Not destroying the planet’ is not a leftist position, it’s simply a position common among leftists because we dont want our kids to die. Shows how far the overton window has been pushed right when things like fixing bridges that are decades out of spec and trying to not kill the planet is considered leftist.

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              That definition of leftist is outdated, frankly. In the modern day there’s a whole lot more associated with it.

              I would posit actually that the original definition is solely economic because at the time political thinkers and economists were solely men, and not interested in minorities and women’s rights.

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                To a republican leftism is anything they don’t like. That doesn’t make it true simply because half the country says it. That word has meaning, the overton window is being pushed to convince you it does not.

                Let’s extrapolate, lets say not killing the planet is a leftist position, what’s the democrat position then? Only kill a little of the planet?

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          No no no. You see, Union Buster Biden actually is the progressive champion and you’re a Russian bot for saying otherwise

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            Tbf apparently he kept working with them after that and got them what they wanted.

            Still supporting baby killers though

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      It’s fucked. Life’s fucked. I’m fucked. You’re fucked. Everything’s fucked. It’s fucked to the point it can’t be unfucked. It’s completely, and thoroughly fucked.

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      He basically helped create the current atmosphere during his tenure on the daily show. It’s poetic justice I suppose.

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      Yes, betrayal - because the US devolved so much into tribalism, that any critique of “their own”, no matter if justified or not, is a betrayal and taboo.

      Just look on here whenever I post an article critiquing Biden. I get called every name in the book. Russian bot, China bot, Trumper etc

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        To be faaaaaiiiirrr, you do kinda only post that stuff. Mix it up a bit like me and they’ll stop calling you a Russian bot and start calling you just plain crazy

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        Depends on the article and what it’s advocating for. Anything advocating for not voting or voting third party (unfortunately equal to not voting in the American electoral system) will get shit from me… Biden is the worst option available to us except Trump. Trump is a fucking existential crisis.

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          “If you don’t vote for Biden that’s a vote for Trump!”

          “If you don’t vote for Trump that’s a vote for Biden!”

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            Yeah that’s how the 2 party system works. Until a third party is strong enough (hint: they need downticket seats) to overtake another party, voting third party is worthless.

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                I understand where you’re coming from, I really do. The logic isn’t flawed the system we’re working within is flawed and unjust. Voting for one of the two leading candidates is the only logical option within this system.

                If you want to change the system then fuck yea - I’m with you brother… but I honestly don’t know how to accomplish that other than primarying in candidates that support RCV or proportional representation… once we get to the general election you vote for whichever of the two choices is less awful. If you don’t then bad shit happens - if Trump hadn’t been elected we’d still have Roe v. Wade and that difference is fucking important in an intimate way to a lot of people’s lives.

                Biden fucking sucks and I hope he’ll be our next president.