My how fast the AI tech bros move to protect corporations but don’t move to protect the average coder, artists, writers.
“It’s so powerful! You’re only allowed to use it how we want you to”.
Allowed eh? How about go fuck yourself?
Hot take:
This is a good thing.
Claude Code is the “lowest common denominator.” It’s the default, zero research option. Its where you go if you follow popular trends.
If you actually want to reverse engineer, help code a game or something, there are hundreds of capable, uncensored LLM APIs to do that. Hacker communities will eventually figure that out, and finally realize Claude isn’t unique, and that Anthropic is toxic.
But for lazy spammers who don’t know that and aren’t motivated to seek stuff out… well, if this makes their life more difficult, good. If this sabotages Anthropic, that’s good too.
Don’t worry! Its STILL okay to reverse engineer the work of photographers artists writers actors voice over musicians modelers animators academics etc etc (feel free to add. the exploitation is literally everywhere!)
Only if you’re a corporation! If you’re a filthy worker then you have no rights.
Jokes on them when they face the consequences of usurping the jobs of all these professions, causing mass exit, and replacing with their error prone output of their slop and unoriginal thinking/artistry. I’m excited to see this outcome, not going to lie.
Another reason not to use a closed models
Misanthropic: Characterized by a hatred or mistrustful scorn for humankind.
Is this in response to that new “reverse engineer anything” tool from the people that reverse engineered the Adobe suite?
I’m really tired of the lie that ArtCraft is “reverse engineered Photoshop”.
It’s a slop factory. If you don’t believe me, download it and run it yourself. It’s just a frontend for tons of image and video GenAI bullshit. It doesn’t resemble Photoshop in the slightest, that narrative is pure marketing.
And it’s only “free” in the sense that you can download it for free. The first thing they ask you to do when you launch the program is buy tokens from them.
Even if it did work, Adobe’s legal team will obliterate them. I’m also not sure about the legality of using it for any paid work. It’s a moot point, though, since it’s slop, and better off using a cracked version that at least works.
of course. anyone who thinks AI can be used as a tool for independence is deluding themselves
anyone who thinks AI can be used by us commoners for much longer is deluding themselves. it is so obvious that these big LLM companies want to capture the market by making everyone dependent and then crank prices way up.
The adobe suite was not reverse engineered, in the sense in which the term is applied to binary, closed-source softeware. Rather, it was cloned.
This is technically and often also legally very different. Cloning is a new implementation of a system which reproduces the abstract API of an existing System. Since APIs are not subject to copyright law, this is legally unproblemaric. It is also a creative process (so far). For exsmple, Linux is a clone of AT & T Unix.
Reverse engineering uses techniques like analysing the internal behaviour and decompiling the binary code of an existing product. It is im general not illegal, but it can violate license agreements and is more in a grey area. Laws like the DMCA might also apply if some kind of copy protection is used.
BTW, many Linux drivers are reverse enginnered to some degree.
For exsmple, Linux is a clone of AT & T Unix.
Unless your definition of “clone” is very different from the mainstream one, you’re talking out of your ass here. Linux was written from scratch. The only thing they’ve got in common is being POSIX-compliant.
Yeah, it clones the Unix / POSIX API: Programs written for Unix will run on Linux. In the same way, the Photoshop/Office lookalikes are clones, they were written from scratch to yield a result compatible to the original.
Look at the explanations I linked.
I’m hopeful this is positive, they’ll start loosing a lot more to Chinese models and I can assure you local models will blow up too.
I can assure you local models will blow up too.
Why?
They are really good already, even if they have some kind of censored limitation, once you jailbreak it js jailed break for ever The only limitation right now is the poribitive gpu prices
To those who say “but what about game preservation?”:
GenAI slop ruined communities around game preservation. And for every time a AAA dev getting this treatment, there’s at least 3 indies getting it worse.
Yep a lot of decomps just get a slop coded version and people stop caring about it because the slop version is “good enough.” Most people doing the decomps it’s also a hobby project that they’re doing for fun as well, the end goal is just a bonus.
There’s already a meme that a lot of those decomps are just emulators + ROMs in a single repository.
So this is how these companies are going to safeguard against IP theft lawsuits! Leave our theft be, or we’ll tell everyone how to get in.
Also it’s incredibly telling how Anthropic doesn’t add code to stop suicide ideation in teens (what they are their ilk are being sued for) but can somehow very quickly stop reverse engineering. A tool that values the captial holders through & through. Their “democratization of intelligence” schtick is obvious now.
OpenSource frontier models ASAP! Obviously never gonna happen, but a fool can dream atleast.
Also it’s incredibly telling how Anthropic doesn’t add code to stop suicide ideation in teens (what they are their ilk are being sued for) but can somehow very quickly stop reverse engineering.
This.
It’s not ok when the commoners get some power back huh. What a shame, I’ve been loving playing my favorite console fps games as a kid, now with keyboard and mouse support.
Man, the one thing I was interested in, the decompiling of abandoned software to get old games and software back, is being limited.
When it hurts jobs, AI is the future, when it hurts rich friends needs moderation.
This was literally destroying indie games. Look at the deluge of slop that came out when ‘sort items onto shelves’ kicked off as a game type.
I can’t understand why anyone would play such a “game”. You’ll get more satisfaction and results from actually tidying your room!
It’s interesting to see modern day “shovelware” is still around. The problem of shitty clones and rip offs of popular games has always been around. Or the classic bait and switch of advertising vs actual gameplay.
The proliferation of these things made possible through the internet and sites like itch.io and sped up by lazy AI slop has certainly made it even more pronounced. The difficulty of finding good indie games amongst a huge pile of trash has only grown.
That’s what late stage capitalism mixed with desperation, delusion, and the desire to get rich quick will get you though.
Indies have been copied since Unity introduced the asset store, don’t fool yourself, this is made to stop the reverse engineering of big company games and apps, not the little guy.
Now only the people that have enough money to pay for the privilege get to use it!!! Hurray?
That was always the plan
The task Large Language Models are best at is pattern correlation. Out of all the possible applications, reverse-engineering seems the most reasonable use case to me.
But figuring out how stuff works is the exact opposite of what they want vibe coders to do: Don’t think, don’t train your own skills, just trust the machine. And if it doesn’t work, just prompt again and keep wasting more tokens, pushing the usage metrics to convince investors they’re constantly growing, burning the planet and your company’s money.
More power and value to the open weight models, cool
“AI is going to make everything free!!” Proceeds to make video games free. “No, not that, shut it down!”
No new tech will make us free if it’s controlled by the slaver class.
The open models aren’t controlled by them though.
Exactly, and that’s why they fucked the ram priced before they kicked into high gear, to repress us
But we do own RAM, do they plan to buy all of it indefinitely? All sorts of other businesses still need computers so they will be buying them even if they cost more, and when they replace them the old ones can be sold off.
There is even the possibility of crowd sourced AI, I know AI horde exists although I think its pretty small and I haven’t touched it in a few years now.
I don’t know what their plans are, but I wouldn’t be surprised if they tried to buy all of it indefinitely.
It seems clear to me that they are betting on that they will not have to buy all of it indefinitely, and they will reach singularity before the Bill comes due. I don’t think that’ll happen, but I do think until the bubble pops, we’re gonna be kind of fucked on pricing.
crowd sourced AI
So the problem here is that every machine would have to run an instance of some model, you can’t spread the model over all the machines. It’d be too slow. Reading from NVMe on your very own machine is already pretty slow as it is. Kinda limits the model size.
You can let others use your hardware and in return get higher priority to use others. Want to generate 20 images? Its quicker spread across several other peoples GPUs at the same time with the same prompt.
Not poked AI stuff in a while though, it was interesting from a technical perspective but overall not super useful to me.
Would you spend 13 years making GTA VI if it was going to be cracked day 1? Why bother? Just let the users vibe code it.
That’s literally what happens to every game on PC and jailbroken consoles, you can pirate Witcher 3 since launch and it still sold more than 10 million copies.
That’s fair. But, like, you couldn’t build that exact game back from the crack, could you? Like, you can’t decompile to machine code and understand everything in a game that complex usually. The cracks tend to be getting past DRM, but rarely allow you to fundamentally-alter the source code, or learn to make the exact same game within six to eight hours of release. This is new paradigm and pretending it’s the exact same as before is, I think, gently, a little disingenuous.
