• DogPeePoo@lemm.ee
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    Thanks DNC

    Should have just ran Bernie instead of forcing Hillary and propping up Trump

    Now the world has Dr. Frankenstein’s political monster (with dementia)

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      It was only a matter of time until the empire with a military industrial complex went from evil to stupidly evil.

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      So you think they should have ignored the will of the Democrat voters to prop up another candidate who probably would have lost even worse?

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        Well, somebody sure wasn’t paying attention to reality… but that’s none of my business 🐸 🍵 🫖

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          Clinton absolutely crushed sanders. I’m not sure what you believe reality looks like. But if it ain’t that, then you should probably look elsewhere for that insult.

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            Looks like a lot of people don’t agree with your gaslighting.

            Clinton did not “cRuSh sAnDerS”

            The DNC (Debbie Wasserman Schultz), Barbara Boxer, Donna Brazile and others) did.

            Also the nefarious “counting and reporting” on sUpeRdELeGaTes before their votes had even been cast— thus trying to manipulate the public. It really left a very foul taste and I remember it well.

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              Looks like a lot of people don’t agree with your gaslighting.

              This is like going onto The_Donald and pointing out that he is a convicted rapist, and a fraud who tried to steal an election. . .and when inevitably when you get tons of downvotes someone saying “Looks like a lot of people don’t agree with your gaslighting.” lol

              Clinton did not “cRuSh sAnDerS”

              She won by 12 percentage points in the popular vote. Removing super delegates, she won 57% of the delegates.

              It was never in doubt. She was the overwhelming favorite, right from the start. This didn’t stop me from holding out hope, BTW.

              You might be upset with how it was run (or how it was reported? Which is funny because the media made it look like Sanders had a much better chance than he had. Remember, an actual race is more interesting than a blowout), but the simple fact is that Clinton was just a far more popular candidate than Sanders. Neither us thinks it should be the case, but that’s the general democrat voter. It’s time to move on and accept the facts, instead of posting in alternating caps as if that makes the facts go away.

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                  You are rejecting the facts. What you are doing is showing what people do when they are dealing with the cognitive dissonance of pretending that Republicans are dumb for ignoring the evidence and believing the election was fraudulent, while trying to simultaneously ignoring the evidence that the 2016 nomination was rigged and that Clinton didn’t crush Sanders.

                  But, don’t worry, just like Trump supporters, you’re too far gone at this point and thus are impenetrable to facts. So I don’t expect you to come around. I’m just posting this so any other person who comes along will realize that your position doesn’t come from a place of rational thought.

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                  Because someone posts factual information you disagree with- it does not become gaslighting just because you want it to.

                  Look up what gaslighting means. Then stop using it incorrectly in debates. It makes you look foolish.

                  The person you’re arguing with is not wrong. And that’s not an opinion. It’s factual information that reality supports.

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        Agreed. Forget the primary, which I do believe was tilted for Clinton, Sanders would have been smashed flat in the general election.

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      I think there’s probably a lot of elected representatives who want to be closer to the dictator end of the spectrum.

      The difference with Trump is that half the country seems hell bent on allowing him to be a dictator.

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    Yeah… he said as much already. But do be sure to tell the kids that think both sides are equally as bad because of a single issue.

    Especially when both are equally to blame on said single issue.

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          Yeah that’s what it looks like but the sentence there doesn’t actually make sense when you read it tbh

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        I said-

        Yeah… he said as much already. But do be sure to tell the kids that think both sides are equally as bad because of a single issue.

        Especially when both are equally to blame on said single issue.

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      Yeah, but also, besides being a genocidal monster, Biden is old, the “liberal media” tells me.

      /s

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        Don’t forget there are twice as many migrants in cages at the border than when trump left office.

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          Its important to remember that those cages were built during Obama’s administration. Nobody REEEEEEE’D about the cages until black jesus was out of office lmao.

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            Yeah who would have thought that president drone strike wouldn’t have the utmost respect for poor migrant civilians?

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      I am one of those people and I’d like to explain the ideology because I think most people write or listen to little tid bits on the internet and never really understand where we are coming from.

      To you these sides seem vastly different in the same way that any two people are so, so different and unique. However those same two people are biologically 99% similar. A difference in perspective causes this misunderstanding.

      In my country it is compulsory to vote and I gladly take the fine every few years because I reject the Westminster system, that is to say I reject bicameral representative government. So when I say they are the same it is because from my perspective they are the same, the world will continue on 99% the same 99% of the time whoever wins regardless of how people freak out about it.

      South Park has a startlingly appropriate episode to describe this situation; what to do when faced with the choice between a douche and a turd? The only moral answer is do not vote and protest the system, hope enough others can participate with you and hope your ideology can gain enough traction to prevent any government from attaining a legitimate mandate to govern.

      Most who disagree only want you to vote for their guy.

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        Unless you can understand the nuance and complexity of American politics, understand and experience what it’s been like under both administrations-

        You’re NOT one of those people. In fact- you’re exempt from having any relevant say in the issue just as much as I would be as an American citizen to suggesting who you should vote for in whatever country you live in.

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            Already did.

            EDIT: the fact that you felt the need to add in your little snarky sarcasm just illustrates the reason why I shouldn’t bother.

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              Are you ok bud? How’s your day going? Maybe have a short walk outside to calm down?

              I just hought that given that you seem to have such a problem you’d care to explain beyond:

              "But do be sure to tell the kids that think both sides are equally as bad because of a single issue.

              Especially when both are equally to blame on said single issue."

              You’ll note that both sentences are short a valid subject.

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                If your opinion mattered in the issue, I’d be glad to explain. But it doesn’t. So I won’t.

                And the whole: “aRe yOu oKaY bUd?” concern-troll is tired and worn out now. Maybe the news just hasn’t gotten to you folk just yet. But look at that! You get to be on the cutting edge of new trends and let them all know!

                Blocking you now.

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    And yet, more than 40% of Hungarian voters want to vote for Orbán again. Under his corrupt electoral system, that will be again a 2/3 supermajority. From a Hungarian: The prevailing belief here is “Orbán lies and sucks, but never again for Gyurcsány” or “Everyone sucks, Fidesz is the least bad” or even “There’s no better alternative”. This fuck should be voted out in 2026, but we know he won’t.

    From the state’s founding, Hungary is a Western country, which never wants to be part of the East on purpose. […] Eastern politics can’t tolerate autonomy, can’t tolerate independence, and can’t tolerate freedom. It eliminates the defences defending a human’s independence. […] It makes one vulnerable; if need be, it intimidates. […] Since the East stepped foot in Hungary, freedom-loving Hungarians like us always wanted the same: to liberate ourselves from their withering hugs, and to remove their domestic guards. […] Our wish always was this: we wanted a Western democracy which builds on Christian culture, and on the ideals of freedom, equality, and fraternity. We always fought against the faux-democracy […]

    – Viktor Orbán, 2007, in a segment to the young people in Hungary.

    illiberal democracy my ass.

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        There’s SO many, but this was probably my favorite Weekend Update joke:

        In a brilliant move during closing arguments, Simpson attorney Johnnie Cochran put on the knit cap prosecutors say O.J. wore the night he committed the murders. Although O.J. may have hurt his case when he suddenly blurted out ‘Hey, hey, easy with that, that’s my lucky stabbing hat!’

        (You knew it had to be an OJ joke.)

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    This is the best summary I could come up with:


    Former White House press secretary Stephanie Grisham said that President Trump’s recent meeting with Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orbán shows that he “wants to be a dictator.”

    President Biden went after Trump for his meeting with the Eastern European leader at a campaign event in Pennsylvania.

    “You know who he’s meeting with today down at Mar-a-Lago?” Biden said at a campaign event in Pennsylvania.

    “Orbán of Hungary, who stated flatly he doesn’t think democracy works, he’s looking for dictatorship.”

    Grisham also said that she has “sat in many bilateral meetings with world leaders” and that Trump  “always looked forward to speaking” with figures like Chinese President Xi JInping and Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, leaders who have been criticized for their authoritarian leanings like Orbán.

    Orbán went to Trump’s home in Florida and also posted a picture of them together on Facebook.


    The original article contains 285 words, the summary contains 142 words. Saved 50%. I’m a bot and I’m open source!

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    Oh wow, someone has an opinion that says trump is bad so it warrants a whole article…

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      Yeah God forbid they write too many articles about this guy who tried to overturn an election, and claiming he wants to be a dictator on day 1, cozying up to dictators.

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        A guy who just won the primary for one of the two major political parties in the country. With 91+ criminal indictments. Half a dozen losses in civil cases. A guy who’s so broke he just had to leverage most of his liquid assets.

        Somehow that guy is still in the news. Because he’s insanely popular. Still. For some fucking reason.

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        But do you understand how they dont mean anything and are just used to get clicks and lead you in a paticular direction?

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          What do you mean “lead me in a particular direction”? Do you mean lead me to vote. Yeah, that’s exactly why I think it’s important. It’s motivates people to vote.

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            Leads them in the direction of believing propaganda. And then like you say, it mostivates them to vote based on false or misleading information.

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                It makes people think that trump wants to be dictator, which is a standard talking point to scare people that are not paying attention. “BUT HE SAID HE WAS GOING TO BE DICTATOR ON THE FIRST DAY!!!” It was joke.

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                  Why are you so sure he doesn’t? He demands completely loyalty, he commonly and regularly uses a lot of the same rhetoric, he praises a lot of dictators, and (most importantly) he literally tried to overturn an election he lost, and fired up his followers so much that they violently attempt to block peaceful transition of power. The fact that someone might look at this and have an opinion that he wants to be a dictator is reasonable, and there is absolutely zero false or misleading about reporting that someone said this.

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                  Uhhh, he said that NUMEROUS times before his whole “dictator on the first day”, and even then he walked it back AFTER being reminded that “hey, people aren’t quite ready for that”. How about the fact that his world-leader idols are almost all, to a man, dictators or wannabe dictators? Erdogan, Orban, Kim Jong-Un, Putin - this is a dude who said he most idolizes Mussolini and Andrew Jackson. One of his commonly-voiced complaints when he took office was that he couldn’t just unilaterally command that things be done, and according to aides, he had to constantly be reminded that things were illegal or beyond the scope of his office.

                  I dunno about you, but this sounds like the hallmarks of a man who would absolutely be a dictator, or close enough to it to not really matter.

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              Yeah you know what you’re so smart there guy on the Internet that thinks voting for a dude with 91 fucking criminal indictments for president is a good idea.

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                  No other former president has even one criminal indictment.

                  There’s a reason why politicians typically resign when faced with even a single criminal indictment: they are too distracted by their legal problems to devote the time necessary to do the work of the people.

                  But somehow this guy who can’t even remember who the current president is will not be distracted by 91 criminal indictments? GTFOH