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I hear what you’re saying, but they invested tens of billions in this technology, and they were apparently the first to solve the dendrite issue that prevented SS batteries from being produced to scale. I’m confident they’ve figured it out. We’ll have to wait and see.
Imagine being on a project too big to fail. Someone might have felt inclined to tinker with the data. Happens in the science community, could happen again here.
So, they are heavily invested in this being a success, both financially and for the prestige of being first? To the point of likely costing someone a lot of money and maybe their job if they hadnt produced results?
The kind of situation where they would be tempted to tweak results a bit, perhaps?
Given that we’re talking about batteries… Remember what phone and laptop manufacturers say about their batteries?
On top of that, these are solid state batteries, not your usual Li-ion batteries with a liquid electrolyte. This is the first time I’ve heard of a large well known company announce they’re using solid state batteries.
That technology has been under development for decades, and it has been applied in some very special devices before, but maybe now it’s finally the time to start large scale production.
Finding the right materials has been really hard, but the next obstacle is scaling up the production. As long as we’re talking about small scale production, these batteries are going to be really expensive and only suitable for very few products.
VW is suggesting that they have solved both of these problems, which obviously makes me a bit skeptical. However, I don’t think it’s impossible, but I’m saying it’s really hard. I would have expected to see some luxury products use SSBs first before seeing them in main stream brands.
Never gonna buy a volkswagen purely because of that BS, I guess it helps that most of their cars are expensive junk that is always breaking and expensive af to fix and maintain like lots of german cars…
I guess so because I have never heard anyone complain, it’s only people from the US who complain about them.
and usually the complaints are “there’s barely any space to work on them!” but also Americans are way more susceptible to buying brand new cars for little to no reason. It takes a lot more to sell a big/new car to an average person in Europe.
It’s literally that most VWs get pretty mediocre reliability and maintenance scores at least in the US. There are certainly very reliable VW models of certain years, and people certainly get good examples of a model that will just go be forever but also… there are a LOT of duds. At the end of the day it just comes down to the fact that German car makers (as well as American of course) can’t really hold a candle to a basic Honda civic or Toyota camry commuter car. They go forever, there are VERY few models and model years that need to be avoided, and they just don’t break down even if you don’t baby them like a car enthusiast would.
In the US there is a subset of people who get obsessed with German stuff just being nicer than stuff from other places, those people tend to be really really insufferable people and from my American perspective it has always annoyed me that Japanese cars just annihilate German cars in how well engineered they are to just work for years with no bullshit and yet there is still a very strong cultural association with German = well engineered in the US that I think is utterly unwarranted. This mindset is also reflected in how much repairs cost to do, German cars are seen as nicer so of course mechanics will charge more. It is cheap as shit to get a mechanic to repair your beater Camry.
I drove a Honda Fit (Jazz in Europe I believe?) for most of my life, there wasn’t any space in that thing to work on either and I have met tons of Fit owners who love the shit out of their car in the US. I easily could have gone for a VW hatchback but honestly the Honda Fit just utterly destroyed the VW options along every practical metric including maintenance, reliability and usable interior space. Was my Fit as fun to drive as a nice VW hot hatchback? Heck no but at the same time the steering was precise and lively.
Look I am not saying Americans aren’t loud assholes who make stupid decisions, I agree with you there I hate my country lol. I think there may be real differences between maintenance and parts cost and maybe even quality control for US sold VWs versus ones sold in Europe so maybe we aren’t talking about quite the same thing really?
We’re probably not, I’ve spent a considerably long time in the US lately and the “German” cars here are entirely different in the first place. The only similarities are the rare VW Golf you see every now and then, even a Jetta is extremely weird to me. They seem to just be American cars with a German name.
Unless things have changed in the last 3 or 4 years Volkswagens consistently come out pretty badly in reliability and cost of maintenance ratings. So do most German car brands.
I know people love their German cars but they suck at actually being cars, sorry?
Given that this is VW, I’ll wait until someone else verifies this.
“No, no, we only cheated that one time, it’s in the past. Let it go. We’ve had our one lie, now we’re perfectly honest!”
Definitely read that in a German accent
I hear what you’re saying, but they invested tens of billions in this technology, and they were apparently the first to solve the dendrite issue that prevented SS batteries from being produced to scale. I’m confident they’ve figured it out. We’ll have to wait and see.
Imagine being on a project too big to fail. Someone might have felt inclined to tinker with the data. Happens in the science community, could happen again here.
Plus VW produced SS equipment at scale in the past, but they don’t like to talk about it.
So, they are heavily invested in this being a success, both financially and for the prestige of being first? To the point of likely costing someone a lot of money and maybe their job if they hadnt produced results?
The kind of situation where they would be tempted to tweak results a bit, perhaps?
Given that we’re talking about batteries… Remember what phone and laptop manufacturers say about their batteries?
On top of that, these are solid state batteries, not your usual Li-ion batteries with a liquid electrolyte. This is the first time I’ve heard of a large well known company announce they’re using solid state batteries.
That technology has been under development for decades, and it has been applied in some very special devices before, but maybe now it’s finally the time to start large scale production.
Toyota has been telling us solid state batteries are coming soon since … 2012ish 😀
We’re still waiting
Finding the right materials has been really hard, but the next obstacle is scaling up the production. As long as we’re talking about small scale production, these batteries are going to be really expensive and only suitable for very few products.
VW is suggesting that they have solved both of these problems, which obviously makes me a bit skeptical. However, I don’t think it’s impossible, but I’m saying it’s really hard. I would have expected to see some luxury products use SSBs first before seeing them in main stream brands.
yea dude its absolutely not true no need. its called a lie 🤥
Never gonna buy a volkswagen purely because of that BS, I guess it helps that most of their cars are expensive junk that is always breaking and expensive af to fix and maintain like lots of german cars…
Quit being American for one second please, it’d be great.
Do they magically make Volkswagens more reliable in other countries then?
I guess so because I have never heard anyone complain, it’s only people from the US who complain about them.
and usually the complaints are “there’s barely any space to work on them!” but also Americans are way more susceptible to buying brand new cars for little to no reason. It takes a lot more to sell a big/new car to an average person in Europe.
It’s literally that most VWs get pretty mediocre reliability and maintenance scores at least in the US. There are certainly very reliable VW models of certain years, and people certainly get good examples of a model that will just go be forever but also… there are a LOT of duds. At the end of the day it just comes down to the fact that German car makers (as well as American of course) can’t really hold a candle to a basic Honda civic or Toyota camry commuter car. They go forever, there are VERY few models and model years that need to be avoided, and they just don’t break down even if you don’t baby them like a car enthusiast would.
In the US there is a subset of people who get obsessed with German stuff just being nicer than stuff from other places, those people tend to be really really insufferable people and from my American perspective it has always annoyed me that Japanese cars just annihilate German cars in how well engineered they are to just work for years with no bullshit and yet there is still a very strong cultural association with German = well engineered in the US that I think is utterly unwarranted. This mindset is also reflected in how much repairs cost to do, German cars are seen as nicer so of course mechanics will charge more. It is cheap as shit to get a mechanic to repair your beater Camry.
I drove a Honda Fit (Jazz in Europe I believe?) for most of my life, there wasn’t any space in that thing to work on either and I have met tons of Fit owners who love the shit out of their car in the US. I easily could have gone for a VW hatchback but honestly the Honda Fit just utterly destroyed the VW options along every practical metric including maintenance, reliability and usable interior space. Was my Fit as fun to drive as a nice VW hot hatchback? Heck no but at the same time the steering was precise and lively.
Look I am not saying Americans aren’t loud assholes who make stupid decisions, I agree with you there I hate my country lol. I think there may be real differences between maintenance and parts cost and maybe even quality control for US sold VWs versus ones sold in Europe so maybe we aren’t talking about quite the same thing really?
We’re probably not, I’ve spent a considerably long time in the US lately and the “German” cars here are entirely different in the first place. The only similarities are the rare VW Golf you see every now and then, even a Jetta is extremely weird to me. They seem to just be American cars with a German name.
I’d believe that
My man. I don’t know where you get you b grade VW from. Here everyone drives them for the longevity
Unless things have changed in the last 3 or 4 years Volkswagens consistently come out pretty badly in reliability and cost of maintenance ratings. So do most German car brands.
I know people love their German cars but they suck at actually being cars, sorry?