The most common justification for taxes on tabacoo products is that they’re bad for the health of the general public, and the same goes for e-smoking.
This is only semi-related but I dislike e-smoking more than cigs, mainly cuz people that vape seem to think nobody is bothered by it and sometimes just straight up do it in public buildings, smokers atleast are selfaware and at the very least step away from people when they need a puff from the good’ol cancer stick
According to Cancer Research UK, there is no evidence that “passive vaping” has harmful effects. Vaping itself may not be harmless but far less harmful than tobacco products, given that it is just propyleneglycol, flavoring and nicotine. Uncontrolled imports from China may however contain more dangerous chemicals, so I’d advocate being lenient on self-mixing/custom vapes while being far stricter on imports.
Also while I advise against vaping indoors due to possible staining of walls from nicotine and pungent smells that may irritate people, it should still be allowed outside and on personal balconies and terraces.
These are all the relevant papers I found on passive vaping in the first four pages of research paper search. I got access to like ten sites for research and there used to be a grey area site for accessing and downloading research papers (sort of like torrenting) but that site was taken down two or three years ago.
Most studies say that the health effects of passive vaping are insignificant and significant health problems are mostly found with unregulated throwaway THC vapes. Active vaping is another story and vaping PG at overvoltage with sub-ohm coils can produce formaldehyde and some other toxins. However overvolting a rig will also burn your mouth which is why the instance of producing said toxins is uncommon. More likely is that for active vapers the inhaling resistance of PG vapor may have some pulmonary irritations compared to water or glycerine vapor.
Vaping has existed for nearly 20 years now and it has been studied ad nauseam due to the same fears as with smoking. Most research shows that it is far less harmful than smoking if the compounds used remain at propyleneglycol, vegetable glycerine, flavoring and eventually nicotine (as nicotine itself does not cause cancer but is an addictive stimulant). Denying all the evidence is just delusional.
Thank you for your comments.
The media and tobaco lobby did a great job to demonize vaping!
All to get vaping into the hands of big tobaco which are doing a great job with disposable vapes to demonize it further.
Small to medium companies which did a great job with refillable vapes really struggle or are already dead because of that.
We see what it has led to in Germany. Propyleneglycol and vegetable glycerine got the tobacco tax making it prohibitively expensive for anyone who isn’t a manufacturer or wholesaler. Vapeshops now have to sell PG and VG at like 200€ per liter when before tax they cost like 10 to 20€ per liter. If anything, they should have taxed the nicotine shots instead.
Yes. And I am fully against tobaco smoking. I am a ex-smoker and I hate it. But instead of using vaping to completely phase out tobaco smoking and than to phase out vaping also it gets taxed and demonized to keep smokers smoking and the youth is hooked on to disposable vapes from the tobaco companies.
Great job everyone. Capitalism at its best.
I am also an ex-smoker and hate smoking. I’d rather have my significant other who is a smoker though to rather vape because it doesn’t trigger my asthma and allergies. However cessation is sadly not an option for her right now because she already has depression and stuff and last time she tried stopping, she began to utter thoughts about actions I absolutely don’t want her to do.
Also vaping can eventually wean smokers off tobacco and make later cessation easier, because most people are really weary about the stuff I used to stop smoking (kratom and kanna) despite them being legal and far less dangerous than tobacco. Also smoking cessation is pretty damn hard and a lot of people here may be unaware how hard it is. Giving smokers options to an easier cessation or less dangerous nicotine consumption options should be the goal here.
The thing New Zealand did where everyone born after 2007 is banned from tobacco and nicotine products would be a decent action. I’d still be for nicotine free vaping as long as it isn’t throwaway products and strictly controlled. Maybe even allow THC vapes and psychedelics as long as they are controlled through state owned dispensaries like with Sweden and alcohol.
Also I am against alcohol and am abstinent from it.
Why e-smoking? Why not just tobacco products?
I think disposable vapes should be banned outright.
Agreed. Too much waste and not enough enforced regulation.
The most common justification for taxes on tabacoo products is that they’re bad for the health of the general public, and the same goes for e-smoking.
This is only semi-related but I dislike e-smoking more than cigs, mainly cuz people that vape seem to think nobody is bothered by it and sometimes just straight up do it in public buildings, smokers atleast are selfaware and at the very least step away from people when they need a puff from the good’ol cancer stick
You can watch as handfuls of people vape their shit as soon as a plane lands now. It’s insane
EDIT: people inside the plane
on the last plane i was in a couple in front of me vaped the entire flight while trying to hide it. and that’s only the people i could see…
In my experience smokers are more careless than vapers. Also cigarette smoke triggers my asthma while someone vaping propyleneglycol does not.
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It is not smoke, but vapor. Smoke comes from burning. Vapor doesn’t, but rather consists of tiny droplets of liquid.
Because they not just bad for peoples health, they are also a nemesis of the environment.
According to Cancer Research UK, there is no evidence that “passive vaping” has harmful effects. Vaping itself may not be harmless but far less harmful than tobacco products, given that it is just propyleneglycol, flavoring and nicotine. Uncontrolled imports from China may however contain more dangerous chemicals, so I’d advocate being lenient on self-mixing/custom vapes while being far stricter on imports.
Also while I advise against vaping indoors due to possible staining of walls from nicotine and pungent smells that may irritate people, it should still be allowed outside and on personal balconies and terraces.
https://www.cancerresearchuk.org/about-cancer/causes-of-cancer/smoking-and-cancer/is-vaping-harmful
I don’t mind people around me vaping, but the disposable ecigs are a scourge to the environment and need to be banned.
Absolutely.
Yeah lets check that in 10 years.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4565991/
https://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/acs.est.7b00710
https://scholar.google.de/scholar?start=20&q=passive+vaping+effects&hl=de&as_sdt=0%2C5#d=gs_qabs&t=1750859598694&u=%23p%3DpzVN5DufXgsJ <- This one recommends replacing PG with distilled water and VG to reduce throat irritation in active vapers.
https://link.springer.com/rwe/10.1007/978-981-16-7680-2_7
These are all the relevant papers I found on passive vaping in the first four pages of research paper search. I got access to like ten sites for research and there used to be a grey area site for accessing and downloading research papers (sort of like torrenting) but that site was taken down two or three years ago.
Most studies say that the health effects of passive vaping are insignificant and significant health problems are mostly found with unregulated throwaway THC vapes. Active vaping is another story and vaping PG at overvoltage with sub-ohm coils can produce formaldehyde and some other toxins. However overvolting a rig will also burn your mouth which is why the instance of producing said toxins is uncommon. More likely is that for active vapers the inhaling resistance of PG vapor may have some pulmonary irritations compared to water or glycerine vapor.
Vaping has existed for nearly 20 years now and it has been studied ad nauseam due to the same fears as with smoking. Most research shows that it is far less harmful than smoking if the compounds used remain at propyleneglycol, vegetable glycerine, flavoring and eventually nicotine (as nicotine itself does not cause cancer but is an addictive stimulant). Denying all the evidence is just delusional.
Thank you for your comments. The media and tobaco lobby did a great job to demonize vaping! All to get vaping into the hands of big tobaco which are doing a great job with disposable vapes to demonize it further. Small to medium companies which did a great job with refillable vapes really struggle or are already dead because of that.
We see what it has led to in Germany. Propyleneglycol and vegetable glycerine got the tobacco tax making it prohibitively expensive for anyone who isn’t a manufacturer or wholesaler. Vapeshops now have to sell PG and VG at like 200€ per liter when before tax they cost like 10 to 20€ per liter. If anything, they should have taxed the nicotine shots instead.
Yes. And I am fully against tobaco smoking. I am a ex-smoker and I hate it. But instead of using vaping to completely phase out tobaco smoking and than to phase out vaping also it gets taxed and demonized to keep smokers smoking and the youth is hooked on to disposable vapes from the tobaco companies. Great job everyone. Capitalism at its best.
I am also an ex-smoker and hate smoking. I’d rather have my significant other who is a smoker though to rather vape because it doesn’t trigger my asthma and allergies. However cessation is sadly not an option for her right now because she already has depression and stuff and last time she tried stopping, she began to utter thoughts about actions I absolutely don’t want her to do.
Also vaping can eventually wean smokers off tobacco and make later cessation easier, because most people are really weary about the stuff I used to stop smoking (kratom and kanna) despite them being legal and far less dangerous than tobacco. Also smoking cessation is pretty damn hard and a lot of people here may be unaware how hard it is. Giving smokers options to an easier cessation or less dangerous nicotine consumption options should be the goal here.
The thing New Zealand did where everyone born after 2007 is banned from tobacco and nicotine products would be a decent action. I’d still be for nicotine free vaping as long as it isn’t throwaway products and strictly controlled. Maybe even allow THC vapes and psychedelics as long as they are controlled through state owned dispensaries like with Sweden and alcohol.
Also I am against alcohol and am abstinent from it.