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  • That’s a terrible framing of the situation. The opinion (rightly or wrongly) is that cheap labour from poorer countries sets the expectations for employment costs.

    Point taken, partly: It’s not just the wages (and the accommodation) that are shite. The work itself is monotonous and physical.

    If labor costs increase that may lead to automation to taking the place of migrants. That would mean a low number high-paying jobs for the well-educated rather than a large number of high-paying jobs for the poorly-educated.

    Migrants who stay for longer to some degree bring their own jobs and economy with them anyway — all those Polish delis the article alludes to have Polish shop-owners. Without the migrants, there’d be no need for Polish shops.

    Brexit was a sledgehammer approach for people to say “no jobs should pay so low that you have to live a subsistence existence.”

    Just as much as Brexit was a viable approach to addressing NHS financing, I guess. The EU never stopped the UK from enacting sensible social or sensible healthcare policy. But I understand some people may have been duped.

    (Happy Cake Day!)


  • Many in Europe openly worried that Britain might actually succeed and provide a blueprint for other countries to quit the EU.

    What?! Nobody thought that.

    In the last two years, 2.4 million people have been allowed to come and settle in Britain, dwarfing any such influx before. The government is now tightening rules, but for many who voted for better control of the borders, it has come too late.

    Disappointment is palpable here in Boston, where Polish supermarkets and delicatessens inhabit old Victorian buildings and teams of migrant workers in high-visibility vests work the nearby fields.

    Because those people would be better off if no one was working the fields?

    If any Britons wanted to work for the wages that immigrants take home, those low-paying jobs would be theirs immediately.








  • Migrants are people first, not “problems”. They have rights, they have value, they have skills. As in any population, some will be an issue for society, nad you’ll need to deal with that. But that has little to nothing to do with them being migrants.

    And the whole “anti-democracy propaganda”, as you called it, is mixed up in there too: The far right wants to take away human rights. They’ll start with the weakest link, which may be migrants or disabled people or …, and work their way up.


  • On the other hand more news like this might get people away from far right.

    Xenophobic arguments are not “about the numbers” or rationality. They are about fear. You can deport as many people as you want, the argument will not go away, as long as there’s a single migrant anywhere (and possibly beyond). Also, voters tend to be more right-wing if they don’t know any migrants themselves because either there are few/no migrants where they live or they’re segregated from them.

    Also look at Biden or Obama — they had more people deported than any US president who came before them. Biden even instituted an “upper limit” on migration recently. Yet, they will still be attacked as “weak on migration”.

    The only way to win (as a society) is to integrate migrants well. And to make sure people don’t need to flee their home countries.