Technically he’s the first one to say something clearly out of protocol (of course Trump and Vance said a lot of irritating things), but countries don’t break alliances over such things, and they’ve had a lot of time to discuss something without cameras, so it’s simply a prepared scene.
I just don’t know what’s this supposed to illustrate. If it’s a scene by Trump&Vance to “justify” drying out of military support, then why would Zelensky participate in it. If it’s a scene by Zelensky, then what in the world would he gain by it. If it’s a mutually agreed scene, then, again, see previous.
You have to remember that during Trump’s first administration, there was a terrible U.S. ambassador who committed a hit-and-run in the UK, killing a cyclist. The victim’s family traveled to the U.S. to seek justice, hoping the president would revoke her diplomatic immunity since she had fled the country.
The moronic president, treating it like a reality TV stunt, had the ambassador unexpectedly pop into a meeting with the grieving family—on live TV—to say sorry. This is just how his broken brain operates.
Doesn’t explain Zelensky playing along (I can’t call his behavior anything else).
I think they do have some plan to which Zelensky consented (however reluctantly) and this was a “reality TV stunt” to make it appear plausible. Maybe to save Zelensky’s face in Ukraine to have the same partner in negotiations after ceasefire and the new Ukrainian election (has been postponed for almost a year, but that can’t go on indefinitely).
What’s happening is the US is negotiating with Russia without involving Ukraine. Not too dissimilar from European powers negotiating with Hitler over German claims on Czechoslovakia without Czechoslovakia being part of the negotiations. We know how that ended.
When Trump and Putin reach an agreement (without consideration for Ukraine) they make some bold claim similar to “Peace for our time” and expect everyone to go along with it. When that happens, Ukraine can ignore the agreement and continue fighting, but if too many countries buy Trump’s version of “Peace for our time” then Ukraine could be considered the bad guy because they’re not agreeing to end the war.
But after this? Every country in the world has reiterated their support for Ukraine. Any “peace plan” promoted by Trump will be known to be all about appeasing Putin and be rightly ignored by everyone. Trump’s WWIII comment made it clear that Trump is afraid of Putin, nobody will respect anything he says about Ukraine going forward.
Putin is not Hitler. I’m not saying it’s not a problem to be solved, having taken many lives and taking more, but it’s a different problem.
Putin’s regime is not capable of growing power. It’s only capable of capturing more power. While ultimately similar inability made Nazis weak, they were capable of modernizing industries and rebuilding the military. Maybe if it were done slowly over 30 years instead of 5 years, they’d turn out a similar failure as Putin’s Russia, having corrupted Germany enough to reduce its danger. We don’t know, since they outright started killing people, putting them into prison camps and marching with knives on the streets.
Every country in the world has reiterated their support for Ukraine.
That’s not true, but suppose it were.
If all those countries sent soldiers and equipment to Ukraine, that is, declared war on Russia, it would be over.
If they are not doing this, then what they are actually doing is the degree of real support.
Then maybe Trump’s “deal” just shows it.
I think enough conscripted Ukrainians have already died, and everyone talking against such deal, be it even capitulation, should wish for Americans, Canadians, Brits, French, Germans, Italians … to be conscripted to that frontline to end the war. Or admit they just want some Ukrainians to die for their feeling of justice they have in their safe cozy life.
If it’s a scene by Trump&Vance to “justify” drying out of military support, then why would Zelensky participate in it.
Zelensky is interested in public support.
There doesn’t even have to be an agenda. It’s a press meeting as a conclusion to talks. As elected leaders and/or representatives it makes sense to participate.
If he wouldn’t have participated, how would that be better? They could still justify it - in even more of a vacuum to define their own views and spins. It would be worse.
Technically he’s the first one to say something clearly out of protocol (of course Trump and Vance said a lot of irritating things), but countries don’t break alliances over such things, and they’ve had a lot of time to discuss something without cameras, so it’s simply a prepared scene.
I just don’t know what’s this supposed to illustrate. If it’s a scene by Trump&Vance to “justify” drying out of military support, then why would Zelensky participate in it. If it’s a scene by Zelensky, then what in the world would he gain by it. If it’s a mutually agreed scene, then, again, see previous.
You have to remember that during Trump’s first administration, there was a terrible U.S. ambassador who committed a hit-and-run in the UK, killing a cyclist. The victim’s family traveled to the U.S. to seek justice, hoping the president would revoke her diplomatic immunity since she had fled the country.
The moronic president, treating it like a reality TV stunt, had the ambassador unexpectedly pop into a meeting with the grieving family—on live TV—to say sorry. This is just how his broken brain operates.
Doesn’t explain Zelensky playing along (I can’t call his behavior anything else).
I think they do have some plan to which Zelensky consented (however reluctantly) and this was a “reality TV stunt” to make it appear plausible. Maybe to save Zelensky’s face in Ukraine to have the same partner in negotiations after ceasefire and the new Ukrainian election (has been postponed for almost a year, but that can’t go on indefinitely).
Or maybe yes. In any case this was unfitting.
What’s happening is the US is negotiating with Russia without involving Ukraine. Not too dissimilar from European powers negotiating with Hitler over German claims on Czechoslovakia without Czechoslovakia being part of the negotiations. We know how that ended.
When Trump and Putin reach an agreement (without consideration for Ukraine) they make some bold claim similar to “Peace for our time” and expect everyone to go along with it. When that happens, Ukraine can ignore the agreement and continue fighting, but if too many countries buy Trump’s version of “Peace for our time” then Ukraine could be considered the bad guy because they’re not agreeing to end the war.
But after this? Every country in the world has reiterated their support for Ukraine. Any “peace plan” promoted by Trump will be known to be all about appeasing Putin and be rightly ignored by everyone. Trump’s WWIII comment made it clear that Trump is afraid of Putin, nobody will respect anything he says about Ukraine going forward.
Putin is not Hitler. I’m not saying it’s not a problem to be solved, having taken many lives and taking more, but it’s a different problem.
Putin’s regime is not capable of growing power. It’s only capable of capturing more power. While ultimately similar inability made Nazis weak, they were capable of modernizing industries and rebuilding the military. Maybe if it were done slowly over 30 years instead of 5 years, they’d turn out a similar failure as Putin’s Russia, having corrupted Germany enough to reduce its danger. We don’t know, since they outright started killing people, putting them into prison camps and marching with knives on the streets.
That’s not true, but suppose it were.
If all those countries sent soldiers and equipment to Ukraine, that is, declared war on Russia, it would be over.
If they are not doing this, then what they are actually doing is the degree of real support.
Then maybe Trump’s “deal” just shows it.
I think enough conscripted Ukrainians have already died, and everyone talking against such deal, be it even capitulation, should wish for Americans, Canadians, Brits, French, Germans, Italians … to be conscripted to that frontline to end the war. Or admit they just want some Ukrainians to die for their feeling of justice they have in their safe cozy life.
Zelensky is interested in public support.
There doesn’t even have to be an agenda. It’s a press meeting as a conclusion to talks. As elected leaders and/or representatives it makes sense to participate.
If he wouldn’t have participated, how would that be better? They could still justify it - in even more of a vacuum to define their own views and spins. It would be worse.
Trump does the press conference before talks. Remember Justin Trudeau got caught on a hot mic for making fun of him for doing this.
The Agreement Zelenskyy was there to sign was never signed, because this all went down before that could happen.
I meant being rude too.