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    4 months ago

    I hate these articles because this same plot line has been reported by media for almost a decade.

    https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-white-victimhood-fuels-republican-politics/

    https://www.salon.com/2016/06/06/the_politics_of_bigotry_donald_trump_and_the_rise_of_white_racial_victimhood/

    This has been the narrative. But media loves horse race politics so they operate like both sides have a point which gives us white victimhood. Snake eating its tail.

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    I honestly think outfits like Disney are purposefully doing things to whip up white cishet resentment and get more cons into power. I realize how conspiracy-minded that statement is, but their over the top cartoonish DEI/pandering stuff seems almost DESIGNED to turn people into Republicans. It’s really hard to explain their actions as being profit-driven.

    The people voting for donnie are not really voting for any serious policies; they are just flailing around and are told all Democrats are behind the more silly outbursts from the fringe. They think they’ll put Hollywood into “their place”, but what’s most likely is that they’ll just get more dirty air, hotter and hotter climate, dirty water, more corporate welfare, no worker protections, no healthcare, no education for their kids, and on and on. And all to get those wokesters…

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      over the top cartoonish DEI

      Suggest to consider why you’re highlighting DEI a an issue. I only see such stuff from pretty right wing media.

      A common trick is to blame problems on a group. E.g. black people, gay people, trans people, etc. DEI fits right into that.

      It’s really hard to explain their actions as being profit-driven.

      Why are people outraged? Currently the blame is on trans and DEI. You’re blaming Disney instead of the ones promoting yet another group as the cause why stuff is bad.

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        I’m just asking how much of an ally Disney really is. To me, it just seems to be a way to hit the hornets nest, and build up tons of resentment among a certain set of people that might be centrist/apolitical in the first place. I don’t think it’s helping the liberal/leftist cause - if anything it just seems like performance art crafted to anger a lot of people that for class reasons, might vote Democratic.

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    Well, as someone who’s half white, it’s getting fucking old being told I’m too blame for everything, and that I can’t have any pride in my own heritage. And that I MUST support BLM, I MUST support the liberal movement, I MUST support the Trans movement… etc…

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        Hey, I sent the same thing to all those liberals crying about Trump!

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      Supporting All of those things is in your best interest.

      Why do you seem so fucking dumb that you’d vote against people and policies that will make your life better JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE SHOWED YOU HOW ITD BE BETTER?!?!

      How dare someone tell you that your life matters?!?!

      Theres no fucking way you’re real or you’re literally retarded.

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    Because racism against white folks is real, despite how much everyone chants reverse racism isn’t a thing.

    I just went through company bias training where it was explicitly stated a white CEO should exclude mentorship to white people because of bias, and a LGBTQ leader should embrace that bias because it supports diversity.

    No nuance, no conversations about how to mitigate and identify subtle bias. It’s just don’t mentor white people.

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      Sounds more like a company problem if that’s the way they’re choosing to go about it

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        Nope, you can find examples of this shit all over the place This material is sold to businesses across the country.

        A significant portion of progressives are absolutely, intentionally or not, are incredibly racist. The fact that “reverse racism isn’t real” is a thing should be a strong indicator imo.

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          Can you point me to a few of these examples? So far I’ve only heard anecdotes

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            I told my story and look at the response. I’m not going on to my work laptop collecting screenshots. We just had a SCOTUS case on racist admissions.

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              I assumed I’d get a response along the lines of “do your own research” this might have been even better. Don’t bother defending your take, just lash out bc nobody has to actually make sense nowadays–just be loud and obnoxious like the bad orange man

              I’ll just “trust you, bro” lol

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          Are you a negative karma farmer? Are you intentionally posting shit takes every few hours to see what gets you banned?

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          You are getting downvoted, but I have seen a bit of this myself and I understand why people would really start to resent this kind of thing. I grew up dirt poor, but I get a lot of messaging about how I should “check my privilege” from people much further up the economic ladder than I am now and certainly where I came from. I used to shrug off this ignorance based on racism, but it’s become more prevalent and definitely more strident. I’m to shut up entirely and listen to others merely and only because of demographics? No, I’m not having it. That’s about as bigoted as it gets.

          I don’t think the answer is to vote for a terrorist like donnie or demons like any Republican politician. I really don’t know what the answer is. I just don’t think that some of the people pushing extremely racist things while supposedly under the banner of equity even have any clue just how many Republicans they are probably creating. When you go around preaching at people, and telling them they are the source of so many problems and they need to just listen at all times to a certain set of self-selected demographics, or else be accused of all kinds of things, people really don’t take it all that well.

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            Shocking the same policies fucking over various minorities also make life shitty for poor white people. The republicans being created are the ones that bought into the whole as long as we have an underclass for the poor whites to look down on they’ll never look up at who is actually fucking them over because they’ll at least be better off than those other ultra poors.

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              Yes, like I said, a lot of it almost seems to be crafted to generate lots of resentment and division vs. pointing out the progress that has been made and working toward making things better. I mean, anyone that points out how far things have come is made out to be some kind of reactionary by some of this group.

              I’m all for people learning real history, and learning to get along in this melting pot, and for everyone to have a seat at the table. But some extremist members seem to want to have a platform to lecture a certain other set of people, telling them how they should do this, and feel that (mostly feel bad for being who they were born as). Well, I’m not sure how that’s ever worked to win people over. I think this extremist fringe is definitely not helping the progressive cause. Some of them may be deluded to think that they can make everyone come over or be made to kowtow to their view. I don’t believe this to be the case, and I think more than a few of them are not even actually on the progressive side at all, but just merely troublemakers with a vendetta and a chip on their shoulder, or worse, con plants put there to make the entire left look ridiculous and hateful.

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              I’m not sure there is systemic racism against whites (as of yet). Or at least I’ve not seen any evidence for this. I do think there are certain activists that actually would be just fine if there were, though. Two wrongs don’t make a right.

              What everyone should be talking about is equal opportunities. Try to see things through another’s eyes. Understand the human experience has much more in common than we are different, etc…but instead, the new mantra from extremists seems to be that a certain set of demographics is elevated and another set needs to only listen because they could not possibly understand or empathize, so they should just sit down and shut up because humans are just sooo different from one another.

              Often subtracting any aspect of class in this conversation - so we have absolutely absurdist outcomes like: Will Smith, who has an amount of privilege that few in this country could possibly match, walks up and slaps Chris Rock (who is probably close to Will Smith in privilege level), out in public. And we had some of this fringe claiming that white people could not discuss this event, and really should not offer our opinion; it was a Black thing. WTAF?

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      Reverse racism?

      I can’t believe there are idiots still using this word like it means anything other than calling attention to how stupid you are

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          The reality is the civil rights movement is both about increasing the social power of non-white citizens AND decreasing the social power of white citizens.

          The former is what usually feels okay for white citizens, but the latter tends to be what white folks call “reverse racism”. It doesn’t feel great losing the social power tied to your caste, but it’s necessary to create an equal opportunity society.

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            The hoops many progressives jump through to justify them institutionalizing racism is appalling.

            Instead of housing, educating, and providing daycare and after school programs historically discriminated and low income populations we’re just going to discriminate against white people and call them racist or snowflakes if they speak up.

            I believe this kind of behavior is just one of many that is helping feed into this funnel of anger and hate.

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      Show me where white people were subjected to red line policies or rejected for loans because they’re white.

      THAT LITERALLY NEVER HAPPENS

      When white people complain about racism it’s things ppl say to them. When minorities complain about racism it’s because the system is literally abusing them.

      These are not the same “racism”.

      Grow up. Someone calling u cracker doesn’t make you a race victim…lol

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        “White people don’t suffer from my specific thing so they can’t possibly be discriminated against in other ways.” - You, apparently.