• Kaplya [none/use name]@hexbear.net
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    3 out the 4 pipelines were blown up. And you’re assuming the US won’t just bomb the last one away when needed.

    The bombing itself was a warning and a threat. Germany understands this. Whoever gets into the government understands this reality.

    Millions more will riot if the US stops supplying energy to Germany. We’re talking about societal collapse here. Nothing functions when you don’t have fuel and energy.

    • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmygrad.mlOP
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      I think the bombing was a one time deal and relied on having a puppet government in power. Incidentally, this might yet come back to bite them in the ass, if a new government comes into power and declassifies the docs that the current government is keeping from the public. If Germany has a government that wants to restore relations with Russia and US bombs their infrastructure, that’s not gonna turn out well.

      Meanwhile, current energy supply situation is already unsustainable as it is. US is simply unable to supply sufficient LNG to Germany, and the cost of LNG is an order of magnitude higher than pipeline gas. Germany is deindustrializing as we speak, and I’d argue societal collapse is inevitable unless Germany can start getting pipeline gas from Russia again. The whole economy was predicated on having cheap pipeline gas, and it’s now collapsing without it. There is nothing US can do to fix that.

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        I think the bombing was a one time deal and relied on having a puppet government in power.

        If they didn’t had approval from whoever’s national waters this happened in, the US definitely couldn’t have pulled it of. We tend to forget it because of how far the US has managed to project their power but the reason they managed to project their power so far is not because every other country was powerless to stop them but because almost every country that could do something to stop them not only conciously let them but actively helped them because they had their government filled with US vassals.

        Germany is deindustrializing as we speak, and I’d argue societal collapse is inevitable unless Germany can start getting pipeline gas from Russia again. The whole economy was predicated on having cheap pipeline gas, and it’s now collapsing without it. There is nothing US can do to fix that.

        I think we should expect a rising contradiction between the large European capitalists who have the means to relocate to the US and the Petty bourgeois who will be forced to do with whatever state the European economy is in but I’m not sure. If I’m right then we will probably see the Petty bourgeois form movements that actualy seek to cut ties with the US.

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          Right, and I do think that the fact that German government colluded with the US to blow up German infrastructure will eventually come out, and that will have long term repercussions in Germany. Such a revelation will make a lot of people understand that Germany isn’t sovereign and that they’ve been vassalized by the US. It could be a catalyst for Germany to actually start becoming sovereign.

          I do think we’ll see a contradiction between global capital and smaller local bourgeoisie as well. I think another big factor will be the working class. As jobs move out of Germany we’ll see a huge wave of unemployment and disenfranchisement. The local bourgeoisie will see this as an opportunity and will likely align with the workers against the large capitalists. They will realize that if large capitalists can be kicked out that would open up business niches that can be filled locally.

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            As jobs move out of Germany we’ll see a huge wave of unemployment and disenfranchisement.

            I can totally see Germans going to gastarbeit to Poland and schadenfreude flooding everything here.

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            I do think we’ll see a contradiction between global capital and smaller local bourgeoisie as well. I think another big factor will be the working class. As jobs move out of Germany we’ll see a huge wave of unemployment and disenfranchisement. The local bourgeoisie will see this as an opportunity and will likely align with the workers against the large capitalists. They will realize that if large capitalists can be kicked out that would open up business niches that can be filled locally.

            At that time we(communists)'ll need to be there to critically support the bourgeois class traitors. True German communist parties need to get to work right now and be ready by then.

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              Indeed, Germany clawing back its sovereignty from US is a prerequisite for having an independent domestic policy. Communism is simply never going to be an option while Germany is a vassal of the US.