• naught@sh.itjust.works
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    11 months ago

    I’m confused. Wages are growing faster than inflation now. Unemployment is back down. Every metric for WORKERS (not stocks, markets, etc.) is on the up.

    Do you have evidence I can read about this part time phenomena?

    While I know things are generally bleak from a general late-stage capitalism point of view, and things cant be all good for everyone, but things are looking good or better, at least for most people. What benefit is there in denying this? It’s the same FUD the media is spreading, I feel.

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      11 months ago

      Specific inflation, like rent and food, are not down and not being beat by wages. Also the official inflation numbers don’t include food.

      Furthermore, there’s decades of slippage to make up for, just in the official numbers. There is a 139 percent gap since 1974. (The first year for which numbers are easily accessible) That means that the inflation added up every year beats median wage change added every year by 139 points.

      A couple months of beating core inflation isn’t going to solve something that’s been problematic since the mid 2000’s.

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        11 months ago

        Good points! Isn’t decreasing runaway inflation still a boon? Also, what metric for inflation are you using? I thought the CPI included average essentials a person would buy, like food. It seems that measure is also decreasing:

        https://www.bls.gov/charts/consumer-price-index/consumer-price-index-by-category.htm

        How does one beat core inflation, though? Deflationary and austerity measures typically end poorly, right? I guess companies would have to pay up so that productivity gains match real wage gains.

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          11 months ago

          Well yeah. That’s the basic problem. If we still prioritize corporate gains, we will never get people back on on track.

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      11 months ago

      That’s all great in a vacuum, but when you add in housing costs suddenly none of those gains are enough.

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        11 months ago

        Totally! In the context of Biden’s economic policies, generally, I think it reflects favorably for him.

        I would like to see corporations banned from purchasing single family homes, massive rent control measures, etc. But these aren’t things I can expect Biden to achieve unilaterally or quickly.

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          11 months ago

          Biden doesn’t even acknowledge the current issues with the way our economy is structured as evident by this article.

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            11 months ago

            They really only included a quick blurb. What about Biden’s other efforts?

            Brainard [one of Biden’s top economic advisors] described “lowering costs and increasing access to housing for Americans” as “one of the most important issues in the President’s economic agenda.”

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            He has backed several affordable housing bills and action plans in 2023 — including the Neighborhood Homes Investment Act, which would produce 500,000 starter homes in under-resourced communities over the next decade

            source

            I am not hyper up-to-date on everything political these days, but it seems like Biden is doing alright. Especially when I consider the alternative 🥲

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              They need to shout about these efforts more. And I’d like to see actionable results and not just endless studies. The Democrats have always been terrible at messaging. Probably because all the media is corporate owned.

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                But you can discredit somebody for bad things they’re planning to do (looking at a certain insurrectionist)

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              This is as bad as the GOP talking about “access” to healthcare in the US. They’re going to subsidize the construction of the worst kind of housing to solve a housing crisis and half of them are going to be bought by investment companies.

              We need market rate mid rises administrated by a non profit organization.

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                wdym? The GOP does their best to limit access to healthcare. My only point is that Biden isn’t sitting around doing nothing ignoring the problems that most Americans face. Does not mean that he is beyond reproach or criticism.

                I agree that corporations need to be stopped from buying up all the homes, but this is only one initiative and it includes price controls and other great things for low income families. More needs to be done, but I cant complain about progress.

                edit: Also non-profits are not a panacea to any problems. The government is the only entity with the power to accomplish what we need

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                  And yet Republicans will tell you straight to your face that they improved healthcare access. That’s the parallel. The point.

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                    I think the difference to me is that Democrats/Joe Biden are passing real legislation that will go into effect and do something hopefully, whereas Republicans have dismantled protections for women, etc. Definitely important not to count the chickens before they hatch though!

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              There are more 25 million kids coming of age in the following decade. 500,000 doesn’t even scratch the surface of housing needs, it’s doing something sure but I am not going to praise the man for doing below the bare minimum.

              You’re once again looking at this in a vacuum.

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      Public sentiment is a trailing indicator of economic success. Until the gains are really felt by people they don’t see them. In a couple months that wage growth and lower inflation will even out.

      Quite a few states are increasing their minimum wage in 2024, and federal workers are getting a 5% raise. I imagine the “but why aren’t people happy about the economy” stuff will fade away in a quarter or two.

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        Hey if that happens, then great. But it’s one hell of a bet to make in an election year. Especially when people have been struggling for a decade now.