I’m not. They paid more in fact. They just also got more back out.
Obviously I’m talking about Net. Gross doesn’t matter.
Wrong. What a country pays in and what it gets out are two entirely unrelated questions.
Payments to the EU are calculated by GDI and that’s that (except when there is a rebate). They are supposed to be fair based on that metric.
Payments back to the members are not “free money” the government can spend on whatever. They are subsidies bound to specific purposes that have their own specific criteria of distribution. They are not designed to be fair by comparison of GDI or similar metrics.
If there were, as a hypothetical example, an EU program to subsidize local winemakers, you can see how France would very likely receive more money out of this fund than the UK.
It’s not about who gets the sweeter deal. It’s not a transaction. Members don’t buy services from the EU with their contributions. If France gets more payouts, it’s because France has more of whatever triggers those payouts. It’s not the GDI though, so “same GDI, different net payments” is a flawed argument.
If we’re both in a tennis club and pay the same member’s fees, but I go to play on Thursday, when there’s less people, more space and a free drink at the bar for members, but you go on Saturday, when people are fighting for free courts and you can’t find a seat at the bar, I get the better deal. That doesn’t mean we’re not treated fairly, we’re just using different parts of what’s available.
Now, if you had to pay higher fees in the first place because I said “I"ll only join if I get a discount”, that would indeed be unfair.
You’re confirming that France pays less in.
Obviously I’m talking about Net. Gross doesn’t matter. If a man puts 1€ into a box and gets 1€ back, he’s not really paid anything.
I’m not. They paid more in fact. They just also got more back out.
Wrong. What a country pays in and what it gets out are two entirely unrelated questions.
Payments to the EU are calculated by GDI and that’s that (except when there is a rebate). They are supposed to be fair based on that metric.
Payments back to the members are not “free money” the government can spend on whatever. They are subsidies bound to specific purposes that have their own specific criteria of distribution. They are not designed to be fair by comparison of GDI or similar metrics. If there were, as a hypothetical example, an EU program to subsidize local winemakers, you can see how France would very likely receive more money out of this fund than the UK.
Saying Net doesn’t matter is absurd. Of course it matters. What kind of logic is that?!
Person A gives person X 1€ in exchange for $1
Person B gives person X 1$ in exchange for $1,000
Who is getting the sweeter deal, A or B?
It’s not about who gets the sweeter deal. It’s not a transaction. Members don’t buy services from the EU with their contributions. If France gets more payouts, it’s because France has more of whatever triggers those payouts. It’s not the GDI though, so “same GDI, different net payments” is a flawed argument.
If we’re both in a tennis club and pay the same member’s fees, but I go to play on Thursday, when there’s less people, more space and a free drink at the bar for members, but you go on Saturday, when people are fighting for free courts and you can’t find a seat at the bar, I get the better deal. That doesn’t mean we’re not treated fairly, we’re just using different parts of what’s available.
Now, if you had to pay higher fees in the first place because I said “I"ll only join if I get a discount”, that would indeed be unfair.
This would be a fair point if the members didn’t set the rules.
But members do set the rules, and France, just like other countries, use their clout to get rules that favour them.