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    3 months ago

    To be fair, I don’t have to trust elected politicians to distrust unelected CEOs and other upper management more

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      3 months ago

      But it’s not like companies or business entities won’t have folks in charge of them under communism… Someone has to run the whatevers…

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        But it’s also not like the person who runs the whatevers has to be beholden to shareholders and profits. They could instead be incentivized to prioritize the collective well being of the workers.

        And for that matter, politicians and the bureaucracy also live in a system that incentivizes (to the tune of millions in bribes) them to prioritize the interests of businesses owners, and thusly shareholders and profits, at the cost of the common good. Which is a major reason they can’t be trusted.

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          Or, as has happened in capitalism, people will find ways to bend the system to benefit themselves. Except this time without boards so much as bribable officials and whatnot.

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            And now we find ourselves at the beginning of the meme.

            Also, I find “people are greedy” to be an uncompelling reason to support a system that incentivizes greed and exploitation. If people bending a system to benefit themselves is a problem, then the system should be designed to be resistant to this, in a way that incentivizes promoting the common good. Or at the very least shouldn’t encourage these problems.

            Capitalism encourages these problems.

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            Capitalism is explicitly designed for people to benefit themselves at the expense of others. Capital begets more capital in a positive feedback loop that results in massively powerful billionaires.

            If you elect representatives, those representatives are checked somewhat by the threat of being voted out. Capitalism has no such check. Sure, ostensibly people can choose not to buy a product, but unregulated capitalism selects for monopolies.

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              Capitalism is explicitly designed

              Capitalism was never designed, it emerged from Feudalism. Capitalism was never an idea, but a result of technological advancement, just as Socialism will be from Capitalism.

              Just a minor correction, the rest of your comment is broadly correct.

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        Ideally, supervision over most non critical sectors would fall to randomly drafted, single term committees of the people, think jury duty except better compensated and obviously with bureaucratic resources available to enable these committees to fulfil their role adequately.

        Now this isn’t suited for everything, but in either system any true oversight is done by the people, not the state.

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          Half of America wants to vote for trump and you want to trust in random people? That seems like a wild leap of faith.

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            It’s more like 30% and that’s with Americans being some of the most wildly mis-educated people out there. I’m sick of seeing sortition shit, but sicker still of misanthropy.

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              Okay, would you rather the Germans who voted AFD? Or the rise of the French National Party? Or Fidesz in Hungary? Or PPV in Denmark?

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            Around 30% tops but more importantly what do those trump supporters want? The exact same things you do, they just believe different causes for the problems we all see and thus have wildly different solutions.

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              Shit, you’d better tell that to my aunt who told me how my lifestyle hurts her.

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                Cool have you done the work to find out why she thinks that way or what she actually wants? No? Great talk little buddy.

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                  Youngling, she’s a hard Catholic. If you can’t imagine why a lifestyle would offend a hard Catholic, well, that’s on you.

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                    Maybe it’s on me, since the Catholic belief is that gay marriage is okay, and you shouldn’t treat them differently or try to change them. We’re at least three popes deep on that stance now.

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            You already trust these people today. They run/own many large corporations today which dramatically affect our lives in multitude of ways. Except today we can’t get remove them from these positions of power under the current system.

            It’s thanks to this in part that your aunt keeps indulging her imaginary pain when she thinks about your lifestyle.