• STUPIDVIPGUY@lemmy.world
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    4 months ago

    No shit dude. You need to focus on the present first, though, so that we can continue to work towards that future you speak of. Because right now, the authoritarians threatening to make that future inaccessible are more relevant.

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      You need to focus on the present first

      That’s literally why the Democrats keep getting away with the pied piper shit and why things will never improve, that thinking right there.

      It’s why they’ll always find and actively prop up the most extreme fascist to face off against to make their own terrible candidadte look better.

      If Biden steps down it won’t be because of people like you. It will be because of the people who made it clear that they would not vote for Biden simply because he was the less evil.

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      We’ve been told that since Hillary was running. How long are you all going to keep beating that drum?

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        Til we have another choice. That time isn’t now.

        Maybe we need to do better to give ourselves that choice. But we haven’t.

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          We have Chase Oliver (Site), and the rest of this thread is just cope, Dems ran the shittiest candidate possible to see what America would accept, and surprise its not Joe, literally every sane person I know has told me they refuse to vote Biden, but keep parroting blue no matter who, like you don’t sound deranged.

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            Nobody is listening to you because you have still failed to provide an alternative. Biden is good enough for now. If he kicks the bucket then whatever, he has done good work so far (except for israel policy) and a blue VP is way better than a power hungry liar.

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          Maybe we need to do better to give ourselves that choice. But we haven’t.

          Yea, that’s why everyone’s pissed that we’re still stuck with Biden. Why should we expect it to be any different after he wins this time?

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            Because his administrations track record over the last 3.5 years has been really good and they have made progress in a lot of areas. He has fucked up with Israel and he’s old, but the experts that he’s surrounded by that actually make the decisions will still be there if he wins. No President can just snap their fingers and make everything good, especially when the other parties goal is to obstruct and make counterprogress in everything. Quit reading headlines about his bumbled speech and look up the laundry lists of accomplishments from this admin.

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              especially when the other parties goal is to obstruct and make counterprogress in everything

              He’s made 0 progress resolving that particular situation. The supreme court just handed him a blank check and the first thing he did was say he wouldn’t use it.

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                The supreme court just handed him a blank check and the first thing he did was say he wouldn’t use it.

                Because when you are the good guy you throw away the elder wand. Or the one ring. Etc…

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        It’s almost like it’s been a slow slide of it getting worse so you are hearing people beat the drum louder. It’s what intelligent people call a logical reaction.

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        Look, I want fully automated gay space communism as much as the next guy.

        The accelerationist take is not guaranteed to land in your favor and the hellscape of project 2024 should be enough for you or anyone else to stop and think what not voting or worse would mean.

        https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=op0yk50uMlQ

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          And Project 2025 is now forever part of the Republican platform, so you’re quite literally saying that we will be forever stuck in desperate psuedo-survival mode, choosing the less evil candidate.

          No, fuck that, people are tired of that. You need to start putting your energy not into aggressively suppressing left but pressuring the Democratic party to do better, they need to know playing chocken with our democracy is not viable.

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            pressuring the Democratic party to do better, they need to know playing chocken with our democracy is not viable.

            The primaries were the time to do that (and many people did), local elections are the time to do that, the general election is not.

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              It’s working, so yes, the general is just as good a time if not a better to apply pressure.

              The Democratic establishment uses the general as a way to twistthe arms of voters, so if they do it there’s no reason voters can’t do it right back. It sounds like you’ve forgotten that the politicians are suppose to work for you in a democracy, not vice versa.

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                It sounds like you’ve forgotten that the politicians are suppose to work for you in a democracy, not vice versa.

                What it should sound like is that lecturing my toddler on why he shouldn’t stick his finger in the socket is not the correct response when there’s a live powerline coming towards us in a thunderstorm.

                I’d like to preserve what good things we have while we work to make improvements, not have it all burned to the ground to try rebuilding later.

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        We’ve been told that since Hillary was running.

        I didn’t like Hillary one bit. I don’t like Biden much more. But if folks had voted for Hillary, we’d not be in this mess and having this debate right now.

        So yeah, maybe this time would be a good time to decide that lesser of two evils is a better choice than greater of two evils.

        I hope they swap out Biden so people such as yourself might feel mollified enough not to help Trump get in again. The only thing “better” about Kamala Harris will be that people can STFU about age, but hey, I’ll take what I can get. She’ll pull us further right than Biden would though, mark my word.