• FuglyDuck@lemmy.world
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    5 months ago

    So, not codifying RvW as promised, not protecting voter rights, not protecting civil liberties…

    … those aren’t missteps?

    and they still got the deal they wanted in the end

    Is it in the fucking contract? no? Then they got jack shit.

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      not codifying RvW as promised, not protecting voter rights, not protecting civil liberties…

      Conservatives (including Manchin and Sinema) stopped all of that. I hate the Dem party and despise neoliberals (AKA the other conservatives), but conservatives are fully to blame for those specific issues.

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          You don’t get a choice where you get a progressive instead of Manchin. You get Manchin or a far right Republican. I voted for Manchin, for the same reason I voted for Clinton and Biden - they might suck, but holy shit is the alternative WORSE.

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          This thread is about AOC. You forgot which Democratic party figure you were supposed to be railing on in this thread.

          I hope you understand that it will be reflected on your next performance review.

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            for the record, I think I must have replied to the wrong thing in my notifications. deleted my comment. (however, I do stand by my criticism of Biden. AoC on the other hand would be freaking phenomenal.)

            (by the way. not a fucking bot. might want to hone that paranoia of yours.)

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        I’m not the one waiving a magic wand thinking Biden is a perfect candidate.

        You are.

        As I’ve said elsewhere, baring Biden himself stepping down it’s suicide for any one to oppose him. So no I’m not going to enter that fucking argument with someone who can’t even see what’s clearly before them.

        Especially considering I’m guessing you give credit for the American recovery act to Biden even as you’d scramble to insist Biden doesn’t have the power to pass law.

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            firstly, I’m not a bot.

            Secondly, what I really want is to stop the slow slid into Fascism. Biden is, in my opinion, demonstrably incapable or unwilling of doing that. You’re welcome to share your opinions, and we can have a discussion about it. Though, also in my opinion, you don’t like hearing alternative viewpoints, considering the name calling and accusations.

            EDIT: Third, I already have. the argument goes no where. Before the primary it was “Save it for the primary,” during the primary it was “Don’t undermine the incumbent, you idiot”, in now its “name your candidate”. in 2019 it was “learn to compromise”. I’m not interestedin the argument because you- or people like you- are unwilling to listen. Biden is problematic. but you’re not going to be able to shore up his election campaign by digging your head in the sand.

            Other “missteps”? Gaza and Immigration feature prominently, too.

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      Do you understand how Congress functions? Do you think they’re fucking dukes and duchesses or some shit?

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        You apparently don’t understand the difference between being a dictator and actually getting off your ass to stir up support for something.

        stop acting like biden is powerless because one body of congress is in republican hands. biden is not powerless. If Biden is so powerless to get shit done in congress, how is it he claims credit for the American Recovery Act and the other big ones early term? that’s right. He did some lifting for it. (he was, however, far from the only person, and a lot of people did a lot of heavy lifting to get that done.)

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          Have you seen the Republican Congress?

          Trying to get anything through them is like preschoolers playing Red Rover against the New England Patriots.

          I’m not saying they don’t try. It’s important to try, as long as they immediately call out the opposition at any and every opportunity. And loud. But if it comes from a D, fat chance actually getting it passed.