Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) said that the protests on college campuses over Israel’s war against Hamas could be President Biden’s Vietnam War, making the comparison to the anti-war protests in the …
Trump is worse and Biden is a piece of shit. Both the candidates are genocidal assholes - in this election if we don’t vote for less genocide we’ll seriously erode our ability to vote again in the future.
What is astounding to me are the people that act like Biden is physically incapable of changing his position on Israel? The stakes are really high in this election, which is why it is irresponsible for Biden to be supporting Israel right now.
I couldn’t fucking tell you. Democrats are famous for snatching defeat from the jaws of victory and his obstinance on Isreal is extremely frustrating. It’d be really fucking nice if he decided to stop being such an idiot - especially as someone renowned for their history of politically savvy moves.
Biden isn’t a vote for less genocide and its costing him the election. Your apologism doesn’t change that. He actually has to be a vote for less genocide for that strategy to be effective and that’s the point: he isn’t.
My second point and why I put out that bait, is that you pretending he’s a better option isn’t helping Biden’s chances, its making them worse. Denying the facts on the ground is why Democratic candidates lose elections. Its the constant gaslighting people have come to expect from establishment politics and it is turning voters away. Stop trying to lose this election for us.
Biden shown himself to be a vote for “as much genocide as the other guy, maybe more”. Its his job to fix that policy position and he can’t win without doing so. You apologizing for his shitty policy isn’t furthering his chances, its diminishing them.
Trump has advocated for Isreal accelerating its genocidal war - so he’s definitely worse. Biden also may cave to pressure as his base strongly objects to supporting Isreal while with Trump there’s no chance he’ll back down from genocide… you may think it’s not worth holding your breath for Biden suddenly revising his position and that’s fair - but these two are clearly not equally shitty.
Yeah idk. Trump did those things, but he’s also called on Israel for restraint. Honestly, he might even pull support because Bibi slighted him at one point in the past and he took that personally.
Trump is a D20. You really don’t know what you are going to get. Biden is 4 D6’s. Like regardless of how your roll, you know his support is going to be pretty unwavering. He’s the most pro-Israeli politician, basically ever. More so than Trump.
This is my point regarding the apologetics. Most people are projecting a kindness or a softening of Bidens policies that simply aren’t’ there. Biden’ isn’t the candidate they pretend him to be. And its costing Biden the election, so the apologetics are working against Biden.
There are thresholds that if Bidens support drops below, he steps out of the race. Shoring up a candidate who has no path to 270 is bad strategy, and right now, Biden has no path to 270. Its also becoming increasingly clear that he’s not going to shift on policy. He’ll do some rhetoric, but he’s not going to change policy. He needs to 180 on Gaza to get Michigan and Wisconsin and these are “must wins” without which he CAN NOT win the white house. Like its actually not possible.
So the question isn’t really about Trump at all at this point. Its about Biden. If Biden isn’t a viable candidate with this policy suite, then we need a different candidate. This entire thing is shaping up identically to 2016 where the idiots just keep jabbering on about Hillary being the best option when she actually wasn’t, instead of being willing to move their support to a more viable candidate. The people insisting that you had to support Hillary were the ones that cost us that election.
So the question isn’t really about Trump at all at this point. Its about Biden. If Biden isn’t a viable candidate with this policy suite, then we need a different candidate.
I hate to be the bearer of shitty news but America’s election system is fundamentally broken. Personally, I’m living in Canada now and the parliamentary westminster system is worlds better than directly electing an executive… but in America the electoral system is what it is and we will be electing a new president in November.
If Biden and Trump still draw breath come the election introducing more candidates (even the DNC officially backing someone else) would just result in a split vote and losing the election so these two chucklefucks are our options - I’d love to vote for AoC or Bernie or hundreds of other people but they aren’t realistically participating in this election (and you can ask Bernie if you should vote for him as a write in if you want - he’ll explain pretty fucking clearly that you shouldn’t).
So, it’ll be Biden vs. Trump and, if we look at what Trump did last term he may have been unpredictable but he was consistently awful - so it’s like rolling a d20 and hoping to get over a 35… how awful he’ll be in any particular circumstance is unpredictable, but he’ll definitely be awful.
I also disagree strongly with your assessment on how pro-Isreal Trump is - he did a previously unthinkable action in moving our embassy to Jerusalem clearly signaling opposition to a two state solution and, again, he’s shouting with a megaphone right now about how much he wants Palestinians to stop existing. I think you should really look closer at Trump’s statements over the past six months - he’s demurred when it’s been politically advantageous to oppose democrats but he absolutely doesn’t give a shit about Palestinians.
I like the way you are articulating this. Thanks. I think I agree…. Whole heartedly
I keep seeing all these blue no matter who folks who can’t accept that anyone would ever critique Biden. I don’t think it is helping Biden to live in such denial and straight up lie to people, and when that doesn’t work yell at them that Trump is worse.
It’s actually kind of pathetic and it makes me realize that I don’t have much hope for a Biden win right now. I want Biden to win, but I can’t see myself voting for him. Thankfully I’m in Blue Colorado…. So I can vote for someone like cenk uiger (spelling) or Cornell west without worrying about our electoral votes going to Trump…… but yea the swing states are super important
And even outside of the swing states Biden needs to win by more than half because of the way the electoral college works, tending to favoring republican candidates by 5-10 % I believe….
It preach on brother, very nice to hear articulate and consistent points of view and especially from your point of view
Trump is worse and Biden is a piece of shit. Both the candidates are genocidal assholes - in this election if we don’t vote for less genocide we’ll seriously erode our ability to vote again in the future.
What is astounding to me are the people that act like Biden is physically incapable of changing his position on Israel? The stakes are really high in this election, which is why it is irresponsible for Biden to be supporting Israel right now.
Why is he not taking this seriously?
I couldn’t fucking tell you. Democrats are famous for snatching defeat from the jaws of victory and his obstinance on Isreal is extremely frustrating. It’d be really fucking nice if he decided to stop being such an idiot - especially as someone renowned for their history of politically savvy moves.
Precisely this. We go through this shit every election year.
Thats the thing right.
Biden isn’t a vote for less genocide and its costing him the election. Your apologism doesn’t change that. He actually has to be a vote for less genocide for that strategy to be effective and that’s the point: he isn’t.
My second point and why I put out that bait, is that you pretending he’s a better option isn’t helping Biden’s chances, its making them worse. Denying the facts on the ground is why Democratic candidates lose elections. Its the constant gaslighting people have come to expect from establishment politics and it is turning voters away. Stop trying to lose this election for us.
Biden shown himself to be a vote for “as much genocide as the other guy, maybe more”. Its his job to fix that policy position and he can’t win without doing so. You apologizing for his shitty policy isn’t furthering his chances, its diminishing them.
Trump has advocated for Isreal accelerating its genocidal war - so he’s definitely worse. Biden also may cave to pressure as his base strongly objects to supporting Isreal while with Trump there’s no chance he’ll back down from genocide… you may think it’s not worth holding your breath for Biden suddenly revising his position and that’s fair - but these two are clearly not equally shitty.
Yeah idk. Trump did those things, but he’s also called on Israel for restraint. Honestly, he might even pull support because Bibi slighted him at one point in the past and he took that personally.
Trump is a D20. You really don’t know what you are going to get. Biden is 4 D6’s. Like regardless of how your roll, you know his support is going to be pretty unwavering. He’s the most pro-Israeli politician, basically ever. More so than Trump.
This is my point regarding the apologetics. Most people are projecting a kindness or a softening of Bidens policies that simply aren’t’ there. Biden’ isn’t the candidate they pretend him to be. And its costing Biden the election, so the apologetics are working against Biden.
There are thresholds that if Bidens support drops below, he steps out of the race. Shoring up a candidate who has no path to 270 is bad strategy, and right now, Biden has no path to 270. Its also becoming increasingly clear that he’s not going to shift on policy. He’ll do some rhetoric, but he’s not going to change policy. He needs to 180 on Gaza to get Michigan and Wisconsin and these are “must wins” without which he CAN NOT win the white house. Like its actually not possible.
So the question isn’t really about Trump at all at this point. Its about Biden. If Biden isn’t a viable candidate with this policy suite, then we need a different candidate. This entire thing is shaping up identically to 2016 where the idiots just keep jabbering on about Hillary being the best option when she actually wasn’t, instead of being willing to move their support to a more viable candidate. The people insisting that you had to support Hillary were the ones that cost us that election.
I hate to be the bearer of shitty news but America’s election system is fundamentally broken. Personally, I’m living in Canada now and the parliamentary westminster system is worlds better than directly electing an executive… but in America the electoral system is what it is and we will be electing a new president in November.
If Biden and Trump still draw breath come the election introducing more candidates (even the DNC officially backing someone else) would just result in a split vote and losing the election so these two chucklefucks are our options - I’d love to vote for AoC or Bernie or hundreds of other people but they aren’t realistically participating in this election (and you can ask Bernie if you should vote for him as a write in if you want - he’ll explain pretty fucking clearly that you shouldn’t).
So, it’ll be Biden vs. Trump and, if we look at what Trump did last term he may have been unpredictable but he was consistently awful - so it’s like rolling a d20 and hoping to get over a 35… how awful he’ll be in any particular circumstance is unpredictable, but he’ll definitely be awful.
I also disagree strongly with your assessment on how pro-Isreal Trump is - he did a previously unthinkable action in moving our embassy to Jerusalem clearly signaling opposition to a two state solution and, again, he’s shouting with a megaphone right now about how much he wants Palestinians to stop existing. I think you should really look closer at Trump’s statements over the past six months - he’s demurred when it’s been politically advantageous to oppose democrats but he absolutely doesn’t give a shit about Palestinians.
Oh yea……well, that’s like, your opinion, mannnnn.
I like the way you are articulating this. Thanks. I think I agree…. Whole heartedly
I keep seeing all these blue no matter who folks who can’t accept that anyone would ever critique Biden. I don’t think it is helping Biden to live in such denial and straight up lie to people, and when that doesn’t work yell at them that Trump is worse.
It’s actually kind of pathetic and it makes me realize that I don’t have much hope for a Biden win right now. I want Biden to win, but I can’t see myself voting for him. Thankfully I’m in Blue Colorado…. So I can vote for someone like cenk uiger (spelling) or Cornell west without worrying about our electoral votes going to Trump…… but yea the swing states are super important
And even outside of the swing states Biden needs to win by more than half because of the way the electoral college works, tending to favoring republican candidates by 5-10 % I believe….
It preach on brother, very nice to hear articulate and consistent points of view and especially from your point of view
Bullshit. You can scroll up this thread and see that’s not the case.
What you’re seeing is people saying to vote blue while also criticizing Biden, because the alternative is so much worse.
You’re somehow conflating that with people not accepting any criticism of Biden.