Look, fuck Trump and Pete from the bottom of my heart; but Mormonism quite literally does not fit within Christian theology because they deny the divinity of Jesus.
This doesn’t need to be a religious claim on my end for it to be accurate. Christians in the US only started thinking of Mormons as part of their club because they couldn’t stomach voting for Obama as the Christian candidate over Mormon Romney.
I mean, most Christian dominations are rather chill nowadays and recognize each other. The differences are largely in the details and organization.
But Mormonism literally extends the Bible with some American Exceptionalism shit. Might as well list Catholicism under Judaism if sequels to holy scriptures that alter pretty much everythivg count as the same religion.
most Christian dominations are rather chill nowadays and recognize each other
I mean… kinda. My Jewish father peaced out of a Methodist service that he decided was too antisemitic for his tastes. I’ve sat in Catholic mass where the priest was a very thinly veiled White Nationalist. Second Baptist, in Houston, only exists because too many rich oil money shits decided the First Baptist Church was too Woke.
We’re not at 30 Years War levels of interfaith schism. But there’s definitely bad blood, if you know where to look.
Mormonism literally extends the Bible with some American Exceptionalism shit.
Plenty of the American Churches do that. Hell, even the chill ones. My friends go to a Unitarians Church that do readings from the Declaration of Independence and Emancipation Proclaimation. I’ve been to churches that proudly hang the Stars and Stripes above the pews. One that hung the Stars and Bars, even.
That’s not unique to Mormonism.
Might as well list Catholicism under Judaism if sequels to holy scriptures that alter pretty much everythivg count as the same religion
They don’t deny the divinity of Jesus. It’s more that they have a neo-Arian view of the trinity that the godhead is one in purpose but separate in form, and Jesus is the literal son of God the father (they do NOT game out the repercussions of this in a coherent or sophisticated way, but it’s what they believe). Theologically, they’re sort of polytheists, but the death and resurrection of Jesus of Nazareth is an essential part of their belief system. So, it really comes down to whether you’re willing to allow certain belief structures rejected by the Council of Nicaea to continue to call themselves Christian, or at least to nod politely at their self-identification, or whether you make academic theology the hill you will die on in terms of culturally significant labels adopted by ostensibly areligious bureaucracies. It sounds counter-intuitive, but there’s more than one way to define a Christian.
The Mormons are absolutely reaping what they sowed by throwing in with MAGA, though, and you know the Romneys and Huntsmans are snickering somewhere with a glass of wine, which they can have because they did double-secret off-the-books Temple shit.
I grew up Mormon and can’t believe who they are now. Granted I was in Jersey, so things were a little more “progressive”.
But you’re right, they are reaping what they showed.
I do have to say though, that the council of Nicea should be used as an example of why Christian religion is bullshit. (I think all organized religions are bullshit. Mm)
Let’s get a group of guys together and decide by committee what it means.
Then change that meaning as the overarching world culture evolves over the milennia.
“You know what? I know this has been part of our beliefs for over a thousand years, but God just changed his mind.”
Ex-Mo here who grew up in Northern Florida. Where I was, the LDS community itself had to be fairly chill because there’s no sense in trying to tell the kids to ignore 99% of the population for friendship and dating, and getting too publicly self-righteous just riles up the evangelicals.
Funnily enough, I also landed on the idea that all organized religion is bullshit. Not that escaping a high-pressure sect (Diet Cult?) is the only way to get there, but I do think the extraordinary truth claims the Church makes means that when we leave, we tend to evaluate all other religions in that same light, plus they were never shy about pointing out what everybody else got wrong, LOL.
Nice to hear a similar perspective from someone else.
I was fostered by someone who was the Bishop for a local branch. He was completely tolerant of everyone. Because of that time spent with him, I thought the church didn’t give a shit about race or sexual orientation, they were all about community support and helping each other.
Then I went to school in Oregon and it was almost a completely different church.
I noped out of that real quick, but, as you said, it forced me to question everything about LDS, and that just naturally progressed into an overall skepticism.
I now know my experience was not the norm but when I think of my time there (I was a child so my experience was through that lens), I remember being taught to help whoever needs help, no strings attached. That every person was loved by God, regardless of who they were.
Then years later the church is a MAGA haven. I really cannot reconcile my experience with that. 🤷
Mormons are essentially catholicism reboot (or ‘Christian 2.0’) . They have an entire extra book with all new jesus stories. An extra prophet. Plus there’s blessed underwear and freemason style ceremonies. They also essentially have a pope.
Resemblance to Christianity or Catholicism is essentially academic.
I talked with two elders and they told be they believe in the succession of priesthood, they don’t like the idea of someone without that knowledge being supposedly sent by God to preach without it.
And in their personal opinion agreed more with the Catholics/Orthodox in that regard, rather than the Protestants.
B. The holy Trinity was a blunt force tool created to try and unite the Christian sects together. God and Jesus formalized at the council of Nicea, then the holy ghost added some ~70-ish years later at the Council of Constantinople.
It was bullshit from the fucking beginning.
Anyone gatekeeping Christianity on these corny little details are the fucking worst.
Look, fuck Trump and Pete from the bottom of my heart; but Mormonism quite literally does not fit within Christian theology because they deny the divinity of Jesus.
This doesn’t need to be a religious claim on my end for it to be accurate. Christians in the US only started thinking of Mormons as part of their club because they couldn’t stomach voting for Obama as the Christian candidate over Mormon Romney.
I have it on good authority that it is the only religion that TRULY fits within the Christian theology, and it’s all you other guys who are wrong.
You guys should get really mad at each other and start thousands of years of war, pain, and suffering over it. It’s the Christian thing to do.
How many thousands of years of wars do you think were caused by Christians?
At least one thousands
At least, two.
I mean, most Christian dominations are rather chill nowadays and recognize each other. The differences are largely in the details and organization.
But Mormonism literally extends the Bible with some American Exceptionalism shit. Might as well list Catholicism under Judaism if sequels to holy scriptures that alter pretty much everythivg count as the same religion.
I mean… kinda. My Jewish father peaced out of a Methodist service that he decided was too antisemitic for his tastes. I’ve sat in Catholic mass where the priest was a very thinly veiled White Nationalist. Second Baptist, in Houston, only exists because too many rich oil money shits decided the First Baptist Church was too Woke.
We’re not at 30 Years War levels of interfaith schism. But there’s definitely bad blood, if you know where to look.
Plenty of the American Churches do that. Hell, even the chill ones. My friends go to a Unitarians Church that do readings from the Declaration of Independence and Emancipation Proclaimation. I’ve been to churches that proudly hang the Stars and Stripes above the pews. One that hung the Stars and Bars, even.
That’s not unique to Mormonism.
Literally what “Judeo-Christian” implies
They don’t deny the divinity of Jesus. It’s more that they have a neo-Arian view of the trinity that the godhead is one in purpose but separate in form, and Jesus is the literal son of God the father (they do NOT game out the repercussions of this in a coherent or sophisticated way, but it’s what they believe). Theologically, they’re sort of polytheists, but the death and resurrection of Jesus of Nazareth is an essential part of their belief system. So, it really comes down to whether you’re willing to allow certain belief structures rejected by the Council of Nicaea to continue to call themselves Christian, or at least to nod politely at their self-identification, or whether you make academic theology the hill you will die on in terms of culturally significant labels adopted by ostensibly areligious bureaucracies. It sounds counter-intuitive, but there’s more than one way to define a Christian.
The Mormons are absolutely reaping what they sowed by throwing in with MAGA, though, and you know the Romneys and Huntsmans are snickering somewhere with a glass of wine, which they can have because they did double-secret off-the-books Temple shit.
I grew up Mormon and can’t believe who they are now. Granted I was in Jersey, so things were a little more “progressive”.
But you’re right, they are reaping what they showed.
I do have to say though, that the council of Nicea should be used as an example of why Christian religion is bullshit. (I think all organized religions are bullshit. Mm)
Let’s get a group of guys together and decide by committee what it means.
Then change that meaning as the overarching world culture evolves over the milennia.
“You know what? I know this has been part of our beliefs for over a thousand years, but God just changed his mind.”
Ex-Mo here who grew up in Northern Florida. Where I was, the LDS community itself had to be fairly chill because there’s no sense in trying to tell the kids to ignore 99% of the population for friendship and dating, and getting too publicly self-righteous just riles up the evangelicals.
Funnily enough, I also landed on the idea that all organized religion is bullshit. Not that escaping a high-pressure sect (Diet Cult?) is the only way to get there, but I do think the extraordinary truth claims the Church makes means that when we leave, we tend to evaluate all other religions in that same light, plus they were never shy about pointing out what everybody else got wrong, LOL.
Nice to hear a similar perspective from someone else.
I was fostered by someone who was the Bishop for a local branch. He was completely tolerant of everyone. Because of that time spent with him, I thought the church didn’t give a shit about race or sexual orientation, they were all about community support and helping each other.
Then I went to school in Oregon and it was almost a completely different church.
I noped out of that real quick, but, as you said, it forced me to question everything about LDS, and that just naturally progressed into an overall skepticism.
I now know my experience was not the norm but when I think of my time there (I was a child so my experience was through that lens), I remember being taught to help whoever needs help, no strings attached. That every person was loved by God, regardless of who they were.
Then years later the church is a MAGA haven. I really cannot reconcile my experience with that. 🤷
Mormons are essentially catholicism reboot (or ‘Christian 2.0’) . They have an entire extra book with all new jesus stories. An extra prophet. Plus there’s blessed underwear and freemason style ceremonies. They also essentially have a pope.
Resemblance to Christianity or Catholicism is essentially academic.
I grew up Mormon and not sure why you got down voted.
Probably by a mormon
Or a catholic
How dare you. Or you. Or you
I talked with two elders and they told be they believe in the succession of priesthood, they don’t like the idea of someone without that knowledge being supposedly sent by God to preach without it.
And in their personal opinion agreed more with the Catholics/Orthodox in that regard, rather than the Protestants.
As a recovering catholic, don’t get me wrong they believe some silly shit but mormons are on a whole other level.
A. No they dont.
B. The holy Trinity was a blunt force tool created to try and unite the Christian sects together. God and Jesus formalized at the council of Nicea, then the holy ghost added some ~70-ish years later at the Council of Constantinople.
It was bullshit from the fucking beginning.
Anyone gatekeeping Christianity on these corny little details are the fucking worst.