I’m certain this can be disabled in windows at any moment as without it loads and loads of criminal evidence would be available for discovery and litigation against the wealthiest people and businesses across the world.

A real fear is being a worker in a world with micromanagers inspecting your workweek, 3 second snapshots at a time.

Yes, but it takes time for people here to realize the effects of that.

Less travel to the US? Well we’ll start seeing layoffs in holiday destinations… but probably not that hard, yet. As things continue to decline and prices increase it will get worse, and worse, and worse.

Most of this stuff takes time to ramp up is my point. We still haven’t seen the effects of deporting hundreds of thousands to millions of immigrants in legal status before being arbitrarily revoked, and that will absolutely cause some major issues in all kinds of places. They were paying tens of billions of dollars in taxes per year based on 2022 data and getting no benefits from it. Even the immigration process is not free, you pay for all the workers who touch your case with all the fees involved. I know, my wife is living that. We’re not talking about our lawyer either, literally the filing fees paid to the US.

tariffs can and will be the death knell if he comes back to those original rates.

No real effects from tariffs have happened yet across the board so the impact isn’t truely felt. Even chinese imports don’t have the tariffs yet because it’s only goods that were on boats after it took effect.

We won’t see the downstream impact of even 10% tariffs for months. It won’t be until sales slump that people start getting fired and then sales will get even worse…

Pichai kissed the ring. He’s colluding with the person who tried to overturn the elections and install himself as a ruler.

All of the billionaires that were at the inauguration are in the same boat. I’m at a point where I believe the crimes of any of them should be tried and convicted with the punishments being doled out collectively to all colluders, but that’s me.

I’d be going for the death penalty from the prosecution side, since it seems like that is what we do now to people who cause one or more people to die, no matter how unethical the victim(s) were.

So do you expect self driving tech to override human action? or do you expect human action to override self driving tech?

I expect the human to override the system, not the other way around. Nobody claims to have a system that requires no human input, aside from limited and experimental implementations that are not road legal nationwide. I kind of expect human input to override the robot given the fear of robots making mistakes despite the humans behind them getting into them drunk and holding down the throttle until they turn motorcyclists into red mist. But that’s my assumption.

With the boca one specifically, the guy got in his car inebriated. That was the first mistake that caused the problem that should never have happened. If the car was truly self driving automated and had no user input, this wouldn’t have happened. It wouldn’t have gone nearly 2.5x the speed limit. It would have braked long in advance before hitting someone in the road.

I have a ninja 650. We all know the danger comes from things we cannot control, such as others. I’d trust an actually automated car over a human driver always, even with limited modern tech. The second the user gets an input though? zero trust.

FTFA:

Certain Tesla self-driving technologies are speed capped, but others are not. Simply pressing the accelerator will raise your speed in certain modes, and as we saw in the police filings from the Washington State case, pressing the accelerator also cancels emergency braking.

That’s how you would strike a motorcyclist at such extreme speed, simply press the accelerator and all other inputs are apparently overridden.

If the guy smashes the gas, just like in cruise control I would not expect the vehicle to stop itself.

The guy admitted to being intoxicted and held the gas down… what’s the self driving contribution to that?

Did I ask a terrible question, or do you just not like anything being objective about the issue? I’m so far over on the left side ideologically that you’d be hard pressed finding an issue that i’m conservative on. I don’t fit the dem mold though, i’m more of a bernie… though I am very critical in general. I don’t just take things at face value. Anywho…

Saying that the statistics aren’t great just lends credence to the fact that we can’t objectively determine how safe or unsafe anything is without good data.

Let’s get this out of the way: Felon Musk is a nazi asshole.

Anyway, It should be criminal to do these comparisons without showing human drivers statistics for reference. I’m so sick of articles that leave out hard data. Show me deaths per billion miles driven for tesla, competitors, and humans.

Then there’s shit like the boca raton crash, where they mention the car going 100 in a 45 and killing a motorcyclist, and then go on to say the only way to do that is to physically use the gas pedal and that it disables emergency breaking. Is it really a self driving car at that point when a user must actively engage to disable portions of the automation? If you take an action to override stopping, it’s not self driving. Stopping is a key function of how self driving tech self drives. It’s not like the car swerved to another lane and nailed someone, the driver literally did this.

Bottom line I look at the media around self driving tech as sensationalist. Danger drives clicks. Felon Musk is a nazi asshole, but self driving tech isn’t made by the guy. it’s made by engineers. I wouldn’t buy a tesla unless he has no stake in the business, but I do believe people are far more dangerous behind the wheel in basically all typical driving scenarios.

When was the last time you saw a “wall” erected on a freeway that was perfectly painted to mimic the current time of day, road, weather, etc. I’m not talking about for that example, i’m talking about in the real world.

The answer is never.

Yes, the optical sensors are fooled by an elaborate ruse that doesn’t exist in real world operating conditions on a highway.

I still argue that for most normal driving circumstances, it is massively safer than humans who malfunction constantly.

I will never, ever buy a tesla so long as felon musk has any ownership in it whatsoever. The guy is irredeemable. Still have way more faith in self driving tech overall (industry wide) than human drivers though. That’s the work of engineers, not an asshole.

It’s all about the whole dunning-kruger effect where most just know nothing despite thinking otherwise, right?

I think the fair comparison would be humans that drive legally.

Humans don’t drive legally. I don’t believe for a second there is a human on this planet who has never violated a rule of the road. The easy default is that we all speed.

Who hasn’t done a rolling stop at a stop sign? Taken a turn they legally shouldn’t have? (No U turns? lol) Taken a right on red when it says not to but there’s literally nobody around?

Cell phones are mostly illegal everywhere while driving and if you look around almost everyone is staring at them.

This mythical person who never, ever does anything against the rules is impossible.

I hate felon musk but I honestly believe their self driving tech is safer than humans.

Have you seen the average human? They’re beyond dumb. If they’re in cars it’s like the majority of htem are just staring at their cell phones.

I don’t think self driving tech works in all circumstances, but I bet it is already much better than humans at most driving, especially highway driving.

now replace chatgpt with these terms, one by one:

• the internet
• google
• facebook
• instagram
• tiktok
• reddit
• lemmy
• their cell phone
• news media
• television
• radio
• podcasts
• junk food
• money

Reddit didn’t grow in it’s early days like it does today. To use an analogy for what you’re saying: think of a snowball rolling down a mountain and turning into an avalanche. It’s easy to forget that the snowball started it.

We don’t really have a choice, unfortunately.

This platform has the downside of day 1 bots, unlike reddit of yore.

Don’t worry, the enshittification of both is proceeding well.

Replacements are inevitable in time. This one is growing.

But to claim that autopilot shut itself off before impact means that the Tesla detected the wall and decided impact was imminent, which disproves his point.

Completely disagree. You are assuming the same sensors that handle autopilot are the same sensors that disengage it when detecting close proximity. The fact that it happened the instant before he connected kind of shows that at a very close distance something is detecting an impact and cutting it off. If it knew ahead of time it would have stopped well ahead of time.

The original goal also wasn’t to uncover this, it was just to compare it to lidar per the article. I’m guessing we’re going to see a ton more things pop up testing this claim, and we’re likely to see tesla push an OTA update that changes the behavior so that people can’t easily reproduce it.

Of course it disengages self driving modes before an impact. Why would they want to be liable for absolutely anything?

There’s tons of alternatives out there now that are as good or better.

If he gets it then clearly it will be the Confederate States ChatGPT.

It’s a shame that you can’t copyright the output of AI, isn’t it?