If there’s only one working person for every four old people, and those four old people each need one or two caretakers a piece then there’s not enough workers to go around.
And that doesn’t count every other job in society that needs done to support the caretakers, like growing food and fixing toilets.
I don’t think most jobs need doing. I don’t want any jobs at all period.
But if you have four old people who need four workers to care for them and there’s only one worker to go around no amount of firing social media managers and insurance adjusters is gonna fix it.
This isn’t an economic problem, it’s a demographic one. Which is why it’s a problem across the world and not just in capitalist nations. (And is in fact worst in China due to the effects of the one child policy.)
Okay, let’s assume it’s 10-1. How many other people, in a perfectly efficient system, would it take to provide a decent quality of life for that caretaker and the 10 elderly people? Growing and transporting food, building and maintaining infrastructure, researching and providing medical care, producing electricity and clean water. Nothing extra.
What term would you use instead of “funding”? Even if we ditch capitalism, as we should, doctors et al still need to get paid, and hospitals still need money to operate (assuming we got rid of any for-profit healthcare). We wouldn’t be doing this with a barter system, right?
The problem is that the base still relies on humans. Even in a perfect system you can’t eliminate greed. Eventually someone will want more than what they need and use violence to take it and the cycle repeats
I’m not sure if why you’re aggressively pushing the idea that I’m against the idea of eliminating capitalism or changing to a different form of government for disagreeing to a specific point. I’m trying to have a discussion and perhaps have my viewpoints challenged and yet often on this platform everyone devolves to hostile dunkage.
Aaaanyways. I just find the idea of no currency to be difficult to implement. You need everyone to feel like their work is equally as valuable as others, and also for people not to feel as though others are receiving things despite doing nothing for them. Yes working to have anything is absolutely capitalism but also if someone spends their entire life toiling away doing say plumbing and someone else decides to do nothing and still receives stuff that seems a bit asinine. I’m all for supporting those who literally can’t participate in the labor or you know having actual maternal leave etc etc, but I can’t really fathom obliterating my body while someone else doesn’t and receiving equal allocations. And at the point then we’ll food and water and whatever else you get is still a currency. Perhaps there’s a different angle to this though that I’m some how not understanding
What’s it like to consider reality a distant and off-putting concept but an imaginary conception of society totally familiar and so doable it’s not even worth mentioning the process to get to it?
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Even without capitalism the math doesn’t math.
If there’s only one working person for every four old people, and those four old people each need one or two caretakers a piece then there’s not enough workers to go around.
And that doesn’t count every other job in society that needs done to support the caretakers, like growing food and fixing toilets.
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I don’t think most jobs need doing. I don’t want any jobs at all period.
But if you have four old people who need four workers to care for them and there’s only one worker to go around no amount of firing social media managers and insurance adjusters is gonna fix it.
This isn’t an economic problem, it’s a demographic one. Which is why it’s a problem across the world and not just in capitalist nations. (And is in fact worst in China due to the effects of the one child policy.)
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Okay, let’s assume it’s 10-1. How many other people, in a perfectly efficient system, would it take to provide a decent quality of life for that caretaker and the 10 elderly people? Growing and transporting food, building and maintaining infrastructure, researching and providing medical care, producing electricity and clean water. Nothing extra.
And how many people to support these people.
Probably more than we’d have available to work.
There’s a reason China started taxing condoms.
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Having worked in technology for a quarter century I do not have the rosy view of it that you do.
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Counterpont: I have been and endeavor to be again a farmer
Are you advocating for not treating the sick whatsoever, or are you assuming total governmental funding for treating the sick?
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What term would you use instead of “funding”? Even if we ditch capitalism, as we should, doctors et al still need to get paid, and hospitals still need money to operate (assuming we got rid of any for-profit healthcare). We wouldn’t be doing this with a barter system, right?
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The problem is that the base still relies on humans. Even in a perfect system you can’t eliminate greed. Eventually someone will want more than what they need and use violence to take it and the cycle repeats
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I’m not sure if why you’re aggressively pushing the idea that I’m against the idea of eliminating capitalism or changing to a different form of government for disagreeing to a specific point. I’m trying to have a discussion and perhaps have my viewpoints challenged and yet often on this platform everyone devolves to hostile dunkage.
Aaaanyways. I just find the idea of no currency to be difficult to implement. You need everyone to feel like their work is equally as valuable as others, and also for people not to feel as though others are receiving things despite doing nothing for them. Yes working to have anything is absolutely capitalism but also if someone spends their entire life toiling away doing say plumbing and someone else decides to do nothing and still receives stuff that seems a bit asinine. I’m all for supporting those who literally can’t participate in the labor or you know having actual maternal leave etc etc, but I can’t really fathom obliterating my body while someone else doesn’t and receiving equal allocations. And at the point then we’ll food and water and whatever else you get is still a currency. Perhaps there’s a different angle to this though that I’m some how not understanding
What’s it like to consider reality a distant and off-putting concept but an imaginary conception of society totally familiar and so doable it’s not even worth mentioning the process to get to it?
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Great, you get to just make up an argument I never made and run with it. My favorite.