• GodlessCommie@lemmy.world
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    8 months ago

    See this is a situation where the rhetoric does not match the action. You claim that he is telling him to back down while he is hounding Congress for an additional $100 million in funding while bypassing Congress two times to transfer weapons to them. The action is what tells the truth, not the bullshit that comes out of their mouth

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      Biden has told them to back down, he directly told netanyahu he won’t support a year-long war, he’s introduced a new two-state solution and told netanyahu that two-state solution is what the US is focused on with regard to the end of this war, he brokered a ceasefire.

      Direct action you are conveniently ignoring.

      As for the nominal funding you don’t understand, 3/4 of the House support unconditional continual aid to Israel, and despite US regularly contributing $4 billion annually to Israel, a massive terrorist attack happening and an ongoing war, Biden is only delivering 100 million in aid, less than three percent of the normal annual funding.

      Biden is putting forth consistent, clear, direct actions to rapidly and diplomatically de-escalate a race war that the leader of a country that’s very important to Middle east stability is hell-bent on escalating.

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        Biden has told them to back down, he directly told netanyahu he won’t support a year-long war, he’s introduced a new two-state solution and told netanyahu that two-state solution is what the US is focused on with regard to the end of this war

        Nothing but empty words while he continued actively supporting the genocide with weapons and funding.

        he brokered a ceasefire

        No he fucking didn’t! He refuses to even use the word ceasefire, lest he angers his owner donors at AIPAC.

        3/4 of the House support unconditional continual aid to Israel

        That doesn’t make it any less wrong to support genocide.

        Biden is only delivering 100 million in aid, less than three percent of the normal annual funding.

        That’s 14 BILLION, with a b and it’s IN ADDITION to the annual genocide funding for the apartheid regime, not instead of.

        Biden is putting forth consistent, clear, direct actions

        You don’t even believe that yourself. You just WANT to.

        A race war

        That’s not what it is. It’s genocide, domicide, apartheid and other atrocities being committed on the general population with the October attacks just a convenient excuse.

        a country that’s very important to Middle east stability

        You mean the country that’s the main REASON for middle east instability.

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          They aren’t empty unless they’re not backed up with action.

          Since the biden administration has already taken action, you’ re at a loss.

          “But he didn’t use the word ceasefire!”

          He encouraged netanyahu to stop fighting, enacting a ceasefire. You can call it whatever you want, but when two actively fighting sides stop fighting, that’s called a ceasefire.

          I get that you’re parroting what I’ve saying about Israel committing genocide, so, thanks I guess.

          No, Israel, surrounded by terrorist groups and multiple countries, is not at all the main reason for terrorism and it’s absolutely ridiculous that you would assert that when it’s a bald-faced lie easily disproven:

          Israel regularly fights and fought Hamas, PIJ, isis, Hezbollah, in an effort to stabilize their democratic country and the surrounding region.

          Israel is a stabilizing military force in the region, so of course the US is going to support them. As they have been for 70 years.

          This is not a month-old conflict, stop pretending it is.

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            They aren’t empty unless they’re not backed up with action.

            Exactly. They’re not backed up by any action.

            Since the biden administration has already taken action, you’ re at a loss.

            No they haven’t. I’m not the lost one here.

            He encouraged netanyahu to stop fighting, enacting a ceasefire

            He said the words knowing full well that it wouldn’t accomplish anything except (poorly) covering his own ass

            No, Israel, surrounded by terrorist groups and multiple countries

            Terrorist groups primarily existing because of the oppressive actions of the Israeli governments.

            Israel regularly fights and fought Hamas, PIJ, isis, Hezbollah

            Zero to one of which would exist if not for Israeli government atrocities

            an effort to stabilize their democratic country and the surrounding region.

            Yeah, THAT’S going well! 🙄

            Israel is a **de**stabilizing military force in the region

            Fixed that for you.

            This is not a month-old conflict

            True, the Israeli government has been massacring and oppressing Palestinian civilians for many decades.

            stop pretending it is.

            I never did.

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              You keep talking about these actions as if they’re the only actions that have occurred in the 70 years since Israel became a country.

              You are making assumptions about this one conflict as if all of this is a new surprising reaction, and then when I contradict you, parroting the words that I said.

              Which, I appreciate, but isn’t very convincing for your line of argument.

              Let’s counter your other blatantly false statements.

              Israel is not responsible for the creation of those terrorist groups.

              Hamas was founded as a direct counter to the PIJ, isis was founded to combat US troops in Iraq.

              Israel is able to contain all of these groups militarily and is willing to do so.

              They have historically been a stabilizing force in that region because they’re willing to combat terrorist organizations.

              And then I guess you just agree with me again at the end, so cheers.

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              You do this thing where you respond to comments line by line, without ever saying anything of actual substance. It’s interesting.

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                You apparently do this thing where you read a lot of text without understanding any of it. Fascinating.

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              Ah yes, my Zionist talking points of reducing Israeli territory, establishing a two-state solution and eschewing violence in place of wiser, nonviolent diplomacy.

              How Ziony of me to condemn 70 years of excessive Israeli military retaliation, extrajudicial execution and illegal occupation and colonization, while I insult netanyahu.

              The manifesto bursts forth.

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        Biden is only delivering 100 million in aid, less than three percent of the normal annual funding.

        I like how you left out the part were Biden was asking congress for 14 billion in aid for Israel in October. The only reason it didn’t happen is Republicans wanted a bunch of bullshit attached to it. Sure he wanted to include funds for aid in Gaza but that make no fucking sense when you’re actively paying the ppl killing them.

        Biden is putting forth consistent, clear, direct actions to rapidly and diplomatically de-escalate a race war

        Yeah he’s currently talking about maybe sorta kinda slowing or pausing weapon sales. 4 months into an active genocide.

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          It makes sense to support the only country in that region who is Democratic and wants to partner with the US in combating terrorism, and have committed soldiers and agencies to that end for decades.

          Again, they’re one of the longest active mutual defense allies of the US, supporting them makes total sense politically and practically.

          This problem is of the time, but there are decades of solid relationship behind it, nobody should act surprised that the US is still supporting Israel after they’ve been supporting them for so long.

          If that does surprise you, then you need to read up on the history of Israel, Palestine and the US before you make claims that make zero sense historically or contextually.

          And yes, Biden is slowing weapons deliveries, telling netanyahu that the US won’t support the standard war netanyahu wants, telling him that he has a two-state solution that the US is committed to, he’s taking direct action.

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            You mean the two state solution that’s been proposed for multiple decades that both parties can not and will not agree on? Yeah this time will definitely be different! Telling someone something isn’t direct action. Denying all attempts at funding and weapon sales is direct action. Being the president he has the direct ability to do both.

            According to you watching a murder and quietly saying “stop that…” is dIrECt ACtiOn.

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              No, you’re making things up that are not close to accurate.

              Action is action. Biden is directly telling netanyahu that he’s not going to support an extended war after netanyahu claimed he was going to extend the war.

              A direct contradiction is direct action.

              He can take more extreme action and risk losing the only ally that’s keeping stability in that region and therefore losing any control over the situation, but given that he’s the commander chief of the most powerful and extensive military force and allied coalition in the world, Biden is mtaking a more prudent and calculated diplomatic course to ameliorate the severity of the war than you are focusing on.

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        His ceasefire was SOLELY to provide more weapons. You are covering for genocide because your team is the one committing it. And to change the Thanksgiving table conversations.

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          Incorrect. I’d love to see the teetering pyramid of illogic you had to climb to arrive at that mistake.

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            I won’t debate Zionists, everything they say is lie despite evidence to the contrary. Twist facts to create a narrative in their favor.

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              Wow, you can non-sequitir with the average of them.

              Good for you though, quit while you’re behind.