I’m putting this up early since it’s likely I won’t have time tomorrow.
Monday, 1/15, is the date of the Iowa Caucus, please direct all comments, links, and replies involving that here!
Edit - 5:36 PM Pacific, 7:36 PM Iowa time, 8:36 PM Eastern - MSNBC declares Trump the winner (shock!)
8:23 PM Pacific, 10:23 PM Iowa time, 11:23 PM Eastern. MSNBC declares Desantis #2, Haley #3.
90% reporting:
Trump - 51% - 52,912
Desantis - 21.3% - 22,140
Haley - 19% - 19,762
Edit Next Up - 1/23 - New Hampshire Primary!
For those unaware, a caucus is totally unlike a primary.
In a primary election, you show up to a polling place, you cast your ballot for your chosen candidate, the ballots get counted, and whoever wins is whoever wins. On to the next state!
A caucus is far, far more chaotic.
“The Republican caucuses will convene statewide at 7 p.m. local time (8 p.m. EST), and begin with the election of a caucus chair and secretary. Only registered Republicans may participate in the caucuses and only in their designated home precincts. However, Iowans may register or change their party affiliation on caucus day. Voters must turn 18 by the November general election in order to participate.”
“There is no walking around the caucus room to form candidate preference groups. That voting method was a feature of Democratic caucuses from 1972 to 2020 but is no longer in use by either party in 2024.”
“The binding presidential vote functions essentially like a party-run primary, only with very limited polling hours and no accommodation for absentee voting, except for a tiny handful of overseas and military voters. There are speeches on behalf of various candidates before the voting and a variety of party business after the vote. Individual caucus chairs are allowed to exercise some discretion in how to conduct the vote, but the voting is done by secret ballot and there is no set list of candidates. Voters must be given the option to vote for any candidate they choose. In the past, some caucus sites have pre-printed the names of major candidates and provided a write-in option, but typically, voters vote by writing the name of a candidate on a blank slip of paper.”
The “limited polling hours” is key here, because if you decide to step out for a smoke, or to hit the bathroom, or grab a sandwich when the vote is called, you might not get counted at all.
In previous years this has led to accusations of under-counts, over-counts, and all other manner of shenanigans.
Here’s the history of the past few Iowa Caucuses and how it related to the general election:
2016:
Ted Cruz - 8 Delegates, 51,666 votes
Donald Trump - 7 / 45,429
Marco Rubio - 7 / 43,228
Ben Carson - 3 / 17,394
Rand Paul - 1 / 8,481
Jeb Bush - 1 / 5,238
Carly Fiorina - 1 / 3,485
John Kasich - 1 / 3,474
Mike Huckabee - 1 / 3,345
2020:
Donald Trump - 39 Delegates, 31,421 votes
Bill Weld - 1 / 425
Sources:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Iowa_Republican_presidential_caucuses
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Iowa_Republican_presidential_caucuses
General Elections:
2016:
Trump/Pence - 800,983
Clinton/Kaine - 653,669
2020:
Trump/Pence - 897,672
Biden/Harris - 759,061
Sources:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_United_States_presidential_election_in_Iowa
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_United_States_presidential_election_in_Iowa
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I don’t think anyone is excited because it’s a race to see who gets to lose to Trump by 30-40 points. :)
But as a political junkie, I’ll follow it anyway… The big ramification is, if Desantis comes in a distant 3rd, the calls for him to drop out will be impossible to ignore.
A 3rd or worse finish in New Hampshire and he’s done.
Isn’t Haley way ahead in NH? She was pretty close to trump a week or so ago.
I’m bummed Christie dropped before I could shit vote for him. Not sure who to waste a primary vote on now.
Vivek? I don’t think he’s even a real candidate, I think he just wanted to meet trump.
Edit: I just saw he dropped out and endorsed trump. Quelle surprise
Pretty much. Trump/Haley are super close.
How the fuck trump has conned the American populace to still vote for him blows my mind. Literally cannot understand…
Well, here’s one example…
Which makes no sense on the face of it since James Woods is a conservative…
But then that’s exactly the sort of person who has “beforeitsnews.com” as their home page.
It doesn’t have to make sense. It just has to work within the framework of her political preconceptions.
the only way any of this matters is if - in a few months - Trump is, somehow, stricken from the ballots in enough states to matter or is ruled as ineligible to run at all. or if he dies.
otherwise, he’ll be the GOP candidate, and these also-rans will be as irrelevant then as they are now. if he chooses on as a running mate, it’ll be based on their ability to kiss his ass, not really on the polls.
Yeah, we need more than Colorado and Maine to step up
well, since it’s gone to SCOTUS, don’t expect much movement until they make a ruling. Honestly, i expect them to realize that the only thing they can do is say, “it’s a state issue,” and kick it back down to the states to decide who gets on what ballot.
the only thing they might dip their toe in on is what is or is not “insurrection”, although i rather doubt it because i don’t know whether that’s actually an issue being challenged.
I don’t think they’re going to rule on Trump and insurrection at all because that’s the subject of a criminal case.
There’s no way they’re going to put the thumb on the scale and determine guilt or innocence in a case that hasn’t even happened yet.
Saying “Yes, Trump is an insurrectionist, remove him from the ballot” or “No, it’s fine, he can stay.” would do exactly that.
well, it’s 2 issues there, really— 1) whether a state can remove Trump (or anyone) from a ballot (or maybe just a primary ballot) and 2) whether Trump committed insurrection (an issue which may preclude the other issue). They may decide to rule on issue 1 and ignore issue 2 for the reason you mentioned, or they may (more likely) decide to say that issue 1 is a state issue (which it is) and ignore issue 2 altogether as, like you said, it’s an ongoing matter in lower courts.
They literally cannot kick it back to states. It would mean anyone could file civil lawsuit in any state and it would be arbitrary up to whatever judge to bar federal candidate from the ballot. Then it might go to judgment call by a state Supreme Court (with or without appeals courts) and/or a secretary of state.
If SCOTUS kicked it back to states it’s already been declared that about 30 states will immediately remove Biden from the ballot.
Biden’s not in violation of the 14th Amendment. There’s no basis to remove him.
But also, largely, in this case, we’re talking about a primary ballot and Biden isn’t even on all of them in the first place. See New Hampshire.
If SCOTUS leaves it up to states, and leaves it self executing for 14th. It means anyone can file civil action.
You might think Biden is not in violation of 14th, but many Republican secretary of states DO think so. It’s very vague just like used in CO, “given aid or comfort to the enemies” will be up to courts to interpret.
The big argument they are making for Biden and the 14th is failing to secure the border, the problem with that argument is that the people gathering at the border are not enemies and the countries they come from are not enemies.
If SCOTUS kicked it back to states it’s already been declared that about 30 states will immediately remove Biden from the ballot.
this won’t happen because there would need to be cause, which there isn’t. Trump wasn’t just arbitrarily removed from the ballot in CO and ME. He was legally disqualified for violating the 14th Amendment. So, unless Biden also did that, is under 43 years old, or was born in another country, there’s no legal basis to remove him from any ballot or disqualify him from the office of President.
They literally cannot kick it back to states.
of course they can by saying that the state’s ruling stands because it’s up to the states to run their own elections, which it is.
they can by saying that the state’s ruling stands because it’s up to the states to run their own elections, which it is.
Do you know what SCOTUS even if? No states cannot interpret 14th Amendment because it’s “their” election. SCOTUS has final say.
And there are many arguments against Biden giving aide to the enemy, which if you are paying attention to the Republicans have listed their many arguments they will use in court. I suggest you read their articles of impeachment as a starting point.
It’s funny, you mention that, because they’ve been trying that shit for a year in Congress, and it’s gotten absolutely nowhere. But go on like it’s actually something that might happen.  There has to actually be a crime, and proof that that happened. Since there isn’t either…
Trump will be on the primary ballot in CO. The court put a stay on its own order.
66% of Republican caucus goers say Biden did not legitimately win the 2020 election.
Ramaswany drops out, endorses Trump.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/15/us/politics/vivek-ramaswamy-drops-out.html
He endorsed Trump long before dropping out.
No one is running against Trump because no one can beat him. Trump is the definition of the gop and the American far right. They’re only running in the hope of either Trump dying before the election, Trump actually facing prison time and being forced to drop out, or getting a cabinet job.
63% of Republican caucus goers say Trump is fit to be president if he’s convicted.
59% of Republican caucus goers support a federal abortion ban.
The thing I dislike about the Iowa caucus is it has to be held in person for a few brief hours. The right to vote is sacred. but it’s taken away from first responders like cops, firefighters, paramedics, and hospital employees that have to work during those hours. There are also retail and service worker employees that can’t get off work during those hours. I hope Iowa ends the caucus and switches to voting for their primaries for future elections. The right to vote should never be infringed upon.
There are entirely too many states with caucuses. But the Democratic party in Iowa is doing theirs by mail, you just have to request a ballot:
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/iowa-democrats-new-caucus-process-work/story?id=106133768
Blergh…
A race to see which gets the privilege of restricting my bodily autonomy and demonizing me as a threat to civilization. Fuck em all, I was paying attention to the last few races but now I am gonna insulate myself from the whole myopic process.
I’m really just in it for the inevitable Ron Desantis concession speech. :)
Literally popcorn buckets to count the vote. MURICA 🤣
Now, in fairness… each caucus site is run by volunteers.
Sure they wiped out the butter. Give them some credit
DeSantis just took second, per CNN
Does Iowa have a weather plan?
Be snowed on?
There are a bunch of different plans organized around getting people to the polls, particularly the elderly. But, yeah, it’s an added layer of complication.
Cool beans. I hope they will offer similar services to the Democratic period if needed!
The Democratic caucus in Iowa is being done completely differently:
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/iowa-democrats-new-caucus-process-work/story?id=106133768
"Unlike their Republican counterparts, the Iowa Democratic Party will not host an in-person presidential preference contest, opting instead for mail-in ballots listing incumbent President Joe Biden, Minnesota Rep. Dean Phillips, Marianne Williamson, and an option for “uncommitted.”
The party started accepting requests for these cards via a Google form on the party’s website and by mail on Nov. 1, 2023. And while they will start to be mailed out to voters on Jan. 12, they will not be accepted in person at the caucuses.
All cards must be postmarked by March 5, a date when more than a dozen other states hold their primaries, otherwise known as Super Tuesday."
Wow, cool, thanks for sharing!
CNN calls it for DeSantis second place
Washington Post: “To some here, the Iowa caucuses are an exemplar of democracy, binding communities together and allowing everyday voters to connect with candidates who, a year from now, may be running the country. To others, they are an antiquated system that excludes those who — due to a disability, a work shift, a flat tire, child care needs, extreme weather or any other factor — can’t turn up on the one night every four years when Iowa voters get a say in picking presidential nominees.”
“Voters must be at their precincts at 7 p.m. Central time on Monday, where they will hear speeches from representatives of the candidates, fill out ballots and, if they want, observe as the votes get tallied. No early or absentee voting is allowed, except for a tiny number of military service members.”
The final Emerson College poll in Iowa finds 55% of Republican caucus voters plan to support Donald Trump on Monday evening, while 21% support Nikki Haley, and 15% Ron DeSantis.
Since the last Emerson poll in December, Trump’s support has increased five points, from 50% to 55%, while Haley’s support increased four points, from 17% to 21%.
And half of Haley’s voters say they will vote for Biden instead of Trump:
That should be terrifying to Republicans
Here we go! Too early for results just yet! Sooon!
Everyone’s already calling it for Trump, and it’s not even close.
