then according to my principles, yours are absolute shit. It wasn’t a private display in his home. it was posted to social media for the entire world to see. A post that included people being hung in effigy. And is 100% a threat. particularly considering this guy was at jan 6 and is most definitely not a peaceful anything.
I’m not defending him I’m defending his right to have opinions. He’s a worthless, abhorrent piece of shit.
by insisting he doesn’t get to be charged for making threats against elected members of government? he committed a crime. the speech itself might be protected, but those protections don’t protect against consequences. insisting otherwise is absolutely defending that worthless, abhorrent piece of shit.
I’m insisting his speech is shitty but political speech.
I don’t think he could sanely be charged, though, either. It doesn’t meet the legal requirements to be a threat. You can look up the legal threshold for speech to be considered a threat in the US.
Until they breached the capitol, yeah. Of course. It’s a fucking protest. By your definition lots of CEOs public death threats on lemmy daily. But they’re just doing their jobs. Right? You’re supposed to have a wide berth on speech and robust response to action. Especially political figures, even when they’re doing their job.
You don’t have to demonize and mistreat people having genuine dialog with you. We’re allowed to have different opinions and still treat each other like human beings. Overall this is a small disagreement over human rights.
I think it’s materially different from a threat. When we talk about killing pedos is that a threat? What we say is much worse.
And, yeah, some of the best protected people in the world. The ornaments won’t hurt them unless someone puts them in a blunderbuss and sneaks into the whitehouse.
then according to my principles, yours are absolute shit. It wasn’t a private display in his home. it was posted to social media for the entire world to see. A post that included people being hung in effigy. And is 100% a threat. particularly considering this guy was at jan 6 and is most definitely not a peaceful anything.
you’re defending a terrorist.
Why would it matter if it was a private display? People are allowed to have and express their opinions, even if they’re shitty opinions.
Legally there are boundaries on speech as well, that ornaments don’t cross.
I’m not defending him I’m defending his right to have opinions. He’s a worthless, abhorrent piece of shit.
by insisting he doesn’t get to be charged for making threats against elected members of government? he committed a crime. the speech itself might be protected, but those protections don’t protect against consequences. insisting otherwise is absolutely defending that worthless, abhorrent piece of shit.
I’m insisting his speech is shitty but political speech.
I don’t think he could sanely be charged, though, either. It doesn’t meet the legal requirements to be a threat. You can look up the legal threshold for speech to be considered a threat in the US.
I suppose you feel the same way when he was chanting “HANG MIKE PENCE” outside the complex where… Mike Pence was trying to do his fucking job, huh?
Until they breached the capitol, yeah. Of course. It’s a fucking protest. By your definition lots of CEOs public death threats on lemmy daily. But they’re just doing their jobs. Right? You’re supposed to have a wide berth on speech and robust response to action. Especially political figures, even when they’re doing their job.
You don’t have to demonize and mistreat people having genuine dialog with you. We’re allowed to have different opinions and still treat each other like human beings. Overall this is a small disagreement over human rights.
because a public and threatening display is a threat.
A threat against POTUS, VPOTUS and several other elected government leaders is a crime. a very serious crime.
I think it’s materially different from a threat. When we talk about killing pedos is that a threat? What we say is much worse.
And, yeah, some of the best protected people in the world. The ornaments won’t hurt them unless someone puts them in a blunderbuss and sneaks into the whitehouse.