Parents are opting out of school vaccinations at the highest rate ever. Last school year, that amounted to 3% of U.S. children entering kindergarten. The highest rate was 12% in Idaho, where a chan…
The only person who should be able to “opt out” a child from vaccination should be a MD or DO, and they had better have a dammed good medical reason for it.
Doctors are susceptible to extremist indoctrination too. Just look at Frontline Doctors of America. They were aggressively pushing covid misinformation during the lockdown.
Plenty of sham Doctors pushing addictive prescriptions like opioids too.
I disagree because doctors lie all the time about having a ‘good medical’ reason for things.
Just look at how they all recommend routine neo-natal circumcision of males.
Homosexuality was once considered to be a mental disorder.
Lobotomies were once recommended treatment for ‘unruly’ wives.
Appeal to authority doesn’t work when there are countless instances of that authority taking advantage of its position to exploit others who don’t know any better.
I’m, of course, pro-vaccination. But it’s not solely because doctors recommend it.
I don’t agree with them per se, but I think the point they are making is that you can find a crazy doctor who will agree with anything. Like if all you needed to get your kids out of a vaccination was a doctor’s note, there would be a well known doctor writing so many to all the home school parents.
No. Doctors lie every time they recommend neo-natal circumcision with no underlying complications, for example.
Go to different countries and you’ll see doctors lying about different things because it’s what the culture has deemed appropriate and acceptable.
Are you trying to say that they’re always correct and we should treat their word as absolute fact? Or are you saying we should ignore the history of experts lying to exploit those who don’t know any better because there’s no chance it’s happening now?
I disagree. As a parent it’s you’re right on if your child should or shouldn’t get vaccinated. Just like you have a right to reproduce. And unfortunately stupid people reproduce.
No. Your rights end where other’s rights begin. You and your kids don’t have the right to get other kids, especially immunocompromised kids who can’t get vaccinated, sick because of your bad choices.
This is not a freedom issue, this is a public health issue. Allowing unvaccinated kids (who are able to be vaccinated) into a school is risking others’ lives. You do not have the right to do that as a parent any more than Typhoid Mary had the right to keep spreading typhoid fever.
But you don’t have a right for your child to endanger someone else’s child. Obviously there is a blurry line there e.g., if my kid has a PB&J he might endanger the welfare of a child with nut allergies. Are we going to ban nuts? Probably not, because not enough kids can get sick from them to warrant that kind of action.
Everyone’s kids can get measles. Or covid. Or polio. Or -insert preventable disease here-
Therefore everyone’s kids should get vaccinated. I get that our government does shady shit sometimes, but people without any scientific background take that and then believe that vaccines are some huge conspiracy.
It’s not.
Science proves they work and do not harm you belong a tiny margin of fringe cases where people have severe side effects (like less than 0.1% of ppl).
Actually, at school parents do get notified if someone in their child’s class has a peanut allergy, in which case the children aren’t allowed to have PB&J at lunch.
I stand corrected! Just proves my point more though - even if a small population is at risk, we step in as a society decide that people should do/not do a certain thing that has the potential for harm.
That’s a fine rationalization for private citizens in their private homes.
The issue here is that these children are being sent to public schools and they’re interacting with other children. Sure, those children are likely vaccinated, but what about the ones who are immunocomprimised? what about the elderly grandmother picking her grandkid up from school one day? What about the ones that just get unlucky, and the vaccine isn’t enough to protect them?
We let stupid people do a lot in modern society without consequence. Murder shouldn’t be added to that list. If parents don’t want to vacc their kids for stupid reasons, they should face the consequence of homeschooling them. If they want to be able to take part in polite society and send their anklebiter to public schools, then they must abide by the ground rules that are in place to keep everyone’s kid’s safe.
The only person who should be able to “opt out” a child from vaccination should be a MD or DO, and they had better have a dammed good medical reason for it.
Doctors are susceptible to extremist indoctrination too. Just look at Frontline Doctors of America. They were aggressively pushing covid misinformation during the lockdown.
Plenty of sham Doctors pushing addictive prescriptions like opioids too.
People suck, regardless of education and career.
Doctors can also be held professionally responsible
They were fighting for the truth
I disagree because doctors lie all the time about having a ‘good medical’ reason for things.
Just look at how they all recommend routine neo-natal circumcision of males.
Homosexuality was once considered to be a mental disorder.
Lobotomies were once recommended treatment for ‘unruly’ wives.
Appeal to authority doesn’t work when there are countless instances of that authority taking advantage of its position to exploit others who don’t know any better.
I’m, of course, pro-vaccination. But it’s not solely because doctors recommend it.
Are you using “experts have learned new things and do not posses inherent omnipotence” as a reason not to trust experts?
I don’t agree with them per se, but I think the point they are making is that you can find a crazy doctor who will agree with anything. Like if all you needed to get your kids out of a vaccination was a doctor’s note, there would be a well known doctor writing so many to all the home school parents.
No. Doctors lie every time they recommend neo-natal circumcision with no underlying complications, for example.
Go to different countries and you’ll see doctors lying about different things because it’s what the culture has deemed appropriate and acceptable.
Are you trying to say that they’re always correct and we should treat their word as absolute fact? Or are you saying we should ignore the history of experts lying to exploit those who don’t know any better because there’s no chance it’s happening now?
I disagree. As a parent it’s you’re right on if your child should or shouldn’t get vaccinated. Just like you have a right to reproduce. And unfortunately stupid people reproduce.
No. Your rights end where other’s rights begin. You and your kids don’t have the right to get other kids, especially immunocompromised kids who can’t get vaccinated, sick because of your bad choices.
This is not a freedom issue, this is a public health issue. Allowing unvaccinated kids (who are able to be vaccinated) into a school is risking others’ lives. You do not have the right to do that as a parent any more than Typhoid Mary had the right to keep spreading typhoid fever.
Fuck that noise. Failing to vaccinate your kids puts my kids at risk. You have no right to endager the lives of people around you.
But you don’t have a right for your child to endanger someone else’s child. Obviously there is a blurry line there e.g., if my kid has a PB&J he might endanger the welfare of a child with nut allergies. Are we going to ban nuts? Probably not, because not enough kids can get sick from them to warrant that kind of action.
Everyone’s kids can get measles. Or covid. Or polio. Or -insert preventable disease here-
Therefore everyone’s kids should get vaccinated. I get that our government does shady shit sometimes, but people without any scientific background take that and then believe that vaccines are some huge conspiracy.
It’s not.
Science proves they work and do not harm you belong a tiny margin of fringe cases where people have severe side effects (like less than 0.1% of ppl).
Actually, at school parents do get notified if someone in their child’s class has a peanut allergy, in which case the children aren’t allowed to have PB&J at lunch.
I stand corrected! Just proves my point more though - even if a small population is at risk, we step in as a society decide that people should do/not do a certain thing that has the potential for harm.
If they’re going to public school, their decision affects all the other students. They don’t get to choose.
So you’re saying we need vouchers
No. They can home school or pay for a private school with their own money. I’d rather not subsidize their stupid
vouchers?
That’s a fine rationalization for private citizens in their private homes.
The issue here is that these children are being sent to public schools and they’re interacting with other children. Sure, those children are likely vaccinated, but what about the ones who are immunocomprimised? what about the elderly grandmother picking her grandkid up from school one day? What about the ones that just get unlucky, and the vaccine isn’t enough to protect them?
We let stupid people do a lot in modern society without consequence. Murder shouldn’t be added to that list. If parents don’t want to vacc their kids for stupid reasons, they should face the consequence of homeschooling them. If they want to be able to take part in polite society and send their anklebiter to public schools, then they must abide by the ground rules that are in place to keep everyone’s kid’s safe.