• Zwuzelmaus@feddit.org
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    Problem is, they still find it OK to make somebody’s life miserable as soon as he is suspected of anything.

    “Innocent until proven” has no real meaning, and I have never heard that someone got paid back for all the damage that was done to him during a false suspicion.

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      I feel like somebody did that when they first came out and they created some kind of ridiculous over the top penalty for doing it.

      Its a bigger risk than I’m willing to take, but I would suggest if you’re going to go that route, try to get a wealthy and well connected friend to do it for you or have a good lawyer on retainer

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      Or just wear a mask, saw a dude ride by me on a bike yesterday at like 11am in a skeleton zip up mask covering his whole head. Smart man.

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        Can’t they still identify him as “the guy with the skeleton mask”? Maybe not “identify” but more of, build a profile.

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          The WaPo article goes into a lot more detail: https://archive.ph/2fmW1

          It seems that the cops were basically uploading images of suspects so that the cameras in the city were constantly scanning for people who were wanted (like a mug shot or an image of somebody stealing something) and then if a camera picked up a match it would send police the location of the suspect on a map.

          Apparently Palantir was working with NOPD to secretly test predictive policing since 2012

          https://archive.ph/NxPbY

          The program began in 2012 as a partnership between New Orleans Police and Palantir Technologies, a data-mining firm founded with seed money from the CIA’s venture capital firm. According to interviews and documents obtained by The Verge, the initiative was essentially a predictive policing program, similar to the “heat list” in Chicago that purports to predict which people are likely drivers or victims of violence.

          The partnership has been extended three times, with the third extension scheduled to expire on February 21st, 2018. The city of New Orleans and Palantir have not responded to questions about the program’s current status.

          Not sure that it actually did ever expire

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            The key scandal to me — I live in NOLA — is that the city council had tons of debates and put in place a process and limitations on facial recognition to limit false positives. But the new cameras aren’t city owned. A private company sells the cameras to businesses. Then, if a crime happens, the police call the company and ask if they “witnessed” anything. Then, the company basically texts officers a location if they think their facial recognition software spots the suspect.

            And since we’re apparently the demonstration city (again) for a company, it’s no cost to taxpayers. Maybe that makes it no different from typical police work to you. But even if the product worked perfectly, and it likely doesn’t, I don’t like the idea of the NOPD secretly working overtime to find loopholes around laws and regulations.

            And that’s before you get to collecting evidence for trial. Defense attorneys probably won’t have a hard time getting these cases dismissed unless there’s tons of other evidence.

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              That’s what they’re saying now, but apparently, an app was developed that allowed police to create a watch list of suspects, upload their picture, and use the cameras to constantly scan for the images. When they got a hit, police received a direct notification via the app

              Apparently much of this wasn’t documented, but for whatever reason, the police captain decided in April to end it for the time being, so now it’s back to the company notifying police, but they want city council to pass an ordinance so they can go back to police being directly notified

              https://wp.api.aclu.org/press-releases/208236

              After the Washington Post began investigating this time around, city officials acknowledged the program and said they had “paused” it and that they “are in discussions with the city council” to change the city’s facial recognition technology law to permit this pervasive monitoring.

              The ACLU is now urging the New Orleans City Council to launch a full investigation and reimpose a moratorium on facial recognition use until robust privacy protections, due process safeguards, and accountability measures are in place.

              “Until now, no American police department has been willing to risk the massive public blowback from using such a brazen face recognition surveillance system,” said Nathan Freed Wessler, deputy director of ACLU’s Speech, Privacy, and Technology Project. “By adopting this system–in secret, without safeguards, and at tremendous threat to our privacy and security–the City of New Orleans has crossed a thick red line. This is the stuff of authoritarian surveillance states, and has no place in American policing.”

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      Somehow I missed that New Orleans had a secret partnership with Palantir for predictive policing starting around 2012 that was kind of revealed as a big scandal in 2018.

      Allegedly this has nothing to do with that… Allegedly… Absolutely nothing.

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        I just saw that making the rounds today as well. Felt like one of those “we know this won’t be accepted so we’ll hope we don’t get caught until it doesn’t matter” moments.

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    It sure would be a shame if the cameras started failing due to damage faster than they could be replaced.

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      My immediate thought was that I’m sure they would just start weaponizing them to fight back so cameras could stand their ground.

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    And it’s always used to harass a certain group, making that group nervous and causing things to happen so people from that targeted group can be arrested. That in turn is of course the proof they need to say the system is working.