• MajinBlayze@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    7
    arrow-down
    9
    ·
    edit-2
    4 months ago

    So literally anything the Democratic party does is acceptable?

    Because that’s what it sounds like you’re saying

    • dudinax@programming.dev
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      12
      ·
      4 months ago

      It’s sarcasm, but we’re in a tight spot where the Democratic party can get pretty bad before we should drop them.

      • Eldritch@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        9
        arrow-down
        4
        ·
        4 months ago

        We can’t drop them till there as bad or worse than Republicans. But we need to actually show some solidarity and engagement to get them to work to be better than Republicans and better than they are. Which most leftists are loathe to do. If we’re going to have a path to rank choice voting, multi-party systems, and more small d democratic representation. The path to that is through Democrats.

        • chakan2@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          3
          arrow-down
          5
          ·
          4 months ago

          Their inaction is arguably worse than the Republican action. By sitting back and saying tsk tsk for 50 years they got us into this mess.

          • Eldritch@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            7
            arrow-down
            1
            ·
            4 months ago

            Don’t be absurd. Even hyperbolically that’s a stretch. And it’s nothing to do with inaction and everything to do with appeasement. It was wrong when Chamberlain did it and it’s wrong for Democrats to have done it and still do it. They are far better than Republicans while still being pretty bad in general but they have made real palpable positive changes in my lifetime. Slower than I’d like and not as far as I would like. But let’s be fair at least acknowledge it.

            • chakan2@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              1
              arrow-down
              1
              ·
              4 months ago

              In my lifetime, the only thing of substance the Ds have done was the ACA…it’s arguably the worst fucking thing we could have possibly imagined for healthcare.

              I don’t know if you’ve ever tried to get coverage off the market place, but for a family plan equivalent to my last employer is 2400 a month. That’s more than all my other bills combined.

              It’s tragically bad at this point. Employers have realized they can fire staff and hire them back as contractors and not offer benefits. Those are the jobs Biden is touting…

              Green energy is cool n all…but they need to gut the requirements for new cars to make them affordable. Who the fuck needs a forward facing camera? That will be standard in 2026…that’s a 500 dollar add on at least. Lane assist is standard…2k, airbags 2k a pop…the most bare bones bs EV you can buy is like 40k. (ICE isn’t much better due to all that shit)

              No…the Democrats have not substantially made life better. They lost the supreme Court and let the R’s trash the constitution with abandon.

    • hypnoton@discuss.online
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      7
      arrow-down
      6
      ·
      4 months ago

      Acceptable to whom?

      Obviously the strategy of voter shaming is acceptable to a lot of people.

      I despise voter shaming. The politicians have to EARN our votes. Always. No exceptions.

      Some folks are trying to flip this dynamic on its head, where the politician will do nice policies but only if we’re going to be good little boys and girls, shut up, stop making demands, and just vote for the billionaire-approved functionary.

      • btaf45@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        2
        arrow-down
        2
        ·
        4 months ago

        The politicians have to EARN our votes. Always. No exceptions.

        Only up until this exception: When the neofascist movement captures America. Then they won’t even need our votes, let alone earn them.