The nonviolent kind. People who made dumb mistakes breaking bullshit laws. It’s not something I pay much attention to so I don’t have a list to rattle off, but they certainly exist.
The nonviolent kind. People who made dumb mistakes breaking bullshit laws. It’s not something I pay much attention to so I don’t have a list to rattle off, but they certainly exist.
Part of the problem with this stance is that the US has a knack for also locking up innocent people.
Take this, for instance, where they coerced a confession, locked up a Dad for 8 months, and the actual perp left a pair of shoes with his name written in them at the fucking scene:
That’s a valid point. I don’t take anything the police or courts say at face value, but does anyone dispute that Xandan is in prison for being a violent piece of shit?
Probably Xandan. I’m not familiar at all with the case but I know the state thinks in every case every accused person is guilty and therefore we shouldn’t care about their human rights any longer because they are forfeit.
But the reality is that we’re all deserving of rights and basic human decency, even the worst offenders, because treating people who committed horrific crimes horribly does nothing to undo those crimes and multiplies them, and it allows anyone who has been framed for doing something awful to be treated the same way even if you think “an eye for an eye” barbary is any way to solve things, which I do not.
There are many reasons why inhumane treatment of prisoners is wrong, and the chance that the person is actually innocent is only one of those.
I agree, I’m just not interested in hearing about it from someone who is entirely focused on how bad it is for them personally unless they’re claiming to be innocent or they’re owning their mistakes
Police coerce “confessions” out of people pretty often. People swear up and down that they’d never confess like that, but it’s hard to know until you’re in the situation yourself.
There is a way out too: say lawyer and refuse to talk to them.
The guy’s mental state was likely in the toilet, and then they sweated him for hours at the station.
Because we have a callous justice system that exists to feed slave labor to capitalists. It’s not a system designed to rehabilitate or facilitate penance. It doesn’t exist to benefit society at large. People who get caught up in it without actually victimizing anyone deserve sympathy at the very least.
The nonviolent kind. People who made dumb mistakes breaking bullshit laws. It’s not something I pay much attention to so I don’t have a list to rattle off, but they certainly exist.
Part of the problem with this stance is that the US has a knack for also locking up innocent people.
Take this, for instance, where they coerced a confession, locked up a Dad for 8 months, and the actual perp left a pair of shoes with his name written in them at the fucking scene:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Riley_Fox
That’s a valid point. I don’t take anything the police or courts say at face value, but does anyone dispute that Xandan is in prison for being a violent piece of shit?
Probably Xandan. I’m not familiar at all with the case but I know the state thinks in every case every accused person is guilty and therefore we shouldn’t care about their human rights any longer because they are forfeit.
But the reality is that we’re all deserving of rights and basic human decency, even the worst offenders, because treating people who committed horrific crimes horribly does nothing to undo those crimes and multiplies them, and it allows anyone who has been framed for doing something awful to be treated the same way even if you think “an eye for an eye” barbary is any way to solve things, which I do not.
There are many reasons why inhumane treatment of prisoners is wrong, and the chance that the person is actually innocent is only one of those.
I agree, I’m just not interested in hearing about it from someone who is entirely focused on how bad it is for them personally unless they’re claiming to be innocent or they’re owning their mistakes
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False confessions are shockingly common. The Innocence Project does a lot of good work exonerating people who were wrongfully convicted: https://innocenceproject.org/false-confessions/
Here’s some more info on false confessions: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_confession
Police coerce “confessions” out of people pretty often. People swear up and down that they’d never confess like that, but it’s hard to know until you’re in the situation yourself.
There is a way out too: say lawyer and refuse to talk to them.
The guy’s mental state was likely in the toilet, and then they sweated him for hours at the station.
Why?
Because we have a callous justice system that exists to feed slave labor to capitalists. It’s not a system designed to rehabilitate or facilitate penance. It doesn’t exist to benefit society at large. People who get caught up in it without actually victimizing anyone deserve sympathy at the very least.
My “why?” is asking why you don’t have sympathy for those other than the ones you mentioned.
Maybe that’s what you meant but that’s sure not how it looks in context