I’m currently waiting to stand trial for breaking into an Israeli owned arms factory.
I lead a campaign to ban supermarkets from throwing away edible food instead of giving it the poor and hungry.
I volunteer and communist community soup kitchen for the homeless.
I organised the workers at my company into forming a union that has repeatedly won better deals for the workers across the industry.
I help maintain a free community vegetable garden and teach people how to be more self sufficient.
And yes, I help run my local communist community as part of all that, including teaching workshops on various subjects, maintaining the community library specialising in political theory books and teaching the best way to reduce harm in a capitalist society.
I advocate for people to be realistic and vote for what will lead to the best outcome, because I don’t put my own self righteousness and moral superiority complex over the actual reality of people’s lives.
You on the other hand will gladly give the actual fascists power if it means you get to act like your hands are clean. And you make arguments that are indistinguishable from those of radical free market capitalists.
Yes, you are much, much more of a liberal than me. You like to LARP as a communist because it makes you feel good, rather than working to advance the actual goals of communism. I know youre too full of yourself to accept that. But if you’re even 1/10 the communist you like present yourself as, you would take this critism on board and actually evaluate if your actions serve the underlying purpose of making the world a better place to live for the exploited and impressed masses. But we both know you won’t.
It’s pretty split, plenty of authors are diehard revolutionists, others are reforms, but even among the reformists plenty think you should always vote for for socialist parties as a way to organise socialist groups.
But even among those authors, including Marx himself they acknowledge that it can be useful tool for achieving goals like universal sufferage and working class power. But with emphasis on it not being a replacement for actual organisation and struggle.
But personally I think it’s worth considering the different political landscape at the time these authors were writing, with global communism on the rise, several countries becoming socialist and the fairly widespread popularity of socialist parties in the west. They were also pretty exclusively taking about implement socialism as the end all be all goal, and not considering the meantime.
So given that there is no real socialist party in the US and there is no real possibility of a revolution any time in the near future, it becomes better to try and lay the groundwork for the future, educate and organise. So it’s better to use the power of your vote to vote against the party that is anti-educstion, anti-arts and that banned AntiFa as an organisation.
Come on, Tom. You know the answer. You’re just not willing to say it.
What most of them said is to vote for the socialist parties over and over and over again, so long as there is a socialist party. But when there isn’t? The only purpose of elections in a bourgeois democracy without a socialist movement is to produce the evidence required to convince people that voting doesn’t work. The best socialist propaganda is getting a Democrat elected and then watch how they fuck everything up the same way the Republicans do and use propaganda to convince the masses that voting will not change anything. That’s what they said about elections in bourgeois democracies and you know it.
And that’s what’s happening here. So many people have this false belief that the Democrats are better than the Republicans and that somehow voting for them will make things better. And it won’t. And all the evidence is right there, bit the entire political apparatus is aligned to ensure people believe this lie. The job of the agitator is to break this lie down, shake up the beliefs of the masses, and demonstrate that voting in Biden, Harris, Obama, Clinton, and all the rest produced the exact same results and created the conditions for what is happening now.
Further, the Soviet theorists went after the he sheepdogs of the DemSocs in Western Europe and said that the DemSocs were actually collaborationists with the fascists and they shouldn’t ever be voted for and should in fact be abandoned for their duplicitous position.
So many people have this false belief that the Democrats are better than the Republicans
They are. 1.6 million people had healthcare stripped from them by Trump.
Several states now will arrest women for having a miscarriage because of Trumps corrupt supreme court and republican stage legislature.
Inflation has increased massively forcing even more poor Americans into poverty.
Thousands of Iraqis are dead because of Trumps war, and Lebanon is currently being invaded because of Trumps support for Netanyahu.
And you will probably view this as a good thing, but plenty of Ukrainians are dead because of Trumps cutting military aid and trying to force Ukraine to make concession to Russia.
Americans have had billions stolen from them by Trump giving tax breaks and charging them pointless tariffs.
Trump also denied disaster aid to blue states after fires and floods, negatively effecting many Americans.
And he has turned ICE into his private police force.
To claim there is no difference just show you are willfully ignoring reality to hold an obviously flawed position. And quite frankly is insulting to the people the republicans have harmed. But again you don’t give a single shit about them, because they’re not real to you. They are just hypotheticals you use as pieces to push your own self serving moral superiority complex.
Your post says not to vote for the lesser evil. Voting for the greater evil would be stupid. Are you advocating for voting third party then? What is your actual suggestion?
And how does not voting help that?
What is it with liberals when someone says you don’t have to support the oligarchy they translate that to don’t vote
Obvious troll is obvious. Your whole post is about not voting.
Also you’re probably more of liberal than me little guy.
‘You are more liberal than me.’
You think a communist running a communist community is more liberal than you?
Do you even hear yourself?
I’m currently waiting to stand trial for breaking into an Israeli owned arms factory.
I lead a campaign to ban supermarkets from throwing away edible food instead of giving it the poor and hungry.
I volunteer and communist community soup kitchen for the homeless.
I organised the workers at my company into forming a union that has repeatedly won better deals for the workers across the industry.
I help maintain a free community vegetable garden and teach people how to be more self sufficient.
And yes, I help run my local communist community as part of all that, including teaching workshops on various subjects, maintaining the community library specialising in political theory books and teaching the best way to reduce harm in a capitalist society.
I advocate for people to be realistic and vote for what will lead to the best outcome, because I don’t put my own self righteousness and moral superiority complex over the actual reality of people’s lives.
You on the other hand will gladly give the actual fascists power if it means you get to act like your hands are clean. And you make arguments that are indistinguishable from those of radical free market capitalists.
Yes, you are much, much more of a liberal than me. You like to LARP as a communist because it makes you feel good, rather than working to advance the actual goals of communism. I know youre too full of yourself to accept that. But if you’re even 1/10 the communist you like present yourself as, you would take this critism on board and actually evaluate if your actions serve the underlying purpose of making the world a better place to live for the exploited and impressed masses. But we both know you won’t.
This is awesome. You’re doing great work.
In your reading, what have you found Marxist political theorists posing as possible relationships with electorialism?
It’s pretty split, plenty of authors are diehard revolutionists, others are reforms, but even among the reformists plenty think you should always vote for for socialist parties as a way to organise socialist groups.
But even among those authors, including Marx himself they acknowledge that it can be useful tool for achieving goals like universal sufferage and working class power. But with emphasis on it not being a replacement for actual organisation and struggle.
But personally I think it’s worth considering the different political landscape at the time these authors were writing, with global communism on the rise, several countries becoming socialist and the fairly widespread popularity of socialist parties in the west. They were also pretty exclusively taking about implement socialism as the end all be all goal, and not considering the meantime.
So given that there is no real socialist party in the US and there is no real possibility of a revolution any time in the near future, it becomes better to try and lay the groundwork for the future, educate and organise. So it’s better to use the power of your vote to vote against the party that is anti-educstion, anti-arts and that banned AntiFa as an organisation.
Come on, Tom. You know the answer. You’re just not willing to say it.
What most of them said is to vote for the socialist parties over and over and over again, so long as there is a socialist party. But when there isn’t? The only purpose of elections in a bourgeois democracy without a socialist movement is to produce the evidence required to convince people that voting doesn’t work. The best socialist propaganda is getting a Democrat elected and then watch how they fuck everything up the same way the Republicans do and use propaganda to convince the masses that voting will not change anything. That’s what they said about elections in bourgeois democracies and you know it.
And that’s what’s happening here. So many people have this false belief that the Democrats are better than the Republicans and that somehow voting for them will make things better. And it won’t. And all the evidence is right there, bit the entire political apparatus is aligned to ensure people believe this lie. The job of the agitator is to break this lie down, shake up the beliefs of the masses, and demonstrate that voting in Biden, Harris, Obama, Clinton, and all the rest produced the exact same results and created the conditions for what is happening now.
Further, the Soviet theorists went after the he sheepdogs of the DemSocs in Western Europe and said that the DemSocs were actually collaborationists with the fascists and they shouldn’t ever be voted for and should in fact be abandoned for their duplicitous position.
They are. 1.6 million people had healthcare stripped from them by Trump.
Several states now will arrest women for having a miscarriage because of Trumps corrupt supreme court and republican stage legislature.
Inflation has increased massively forcing even more poor Americans into poverty.
Thousands of Iraqis are dead because of Trumps war, and Lebanon is currently being invaded because of Trumps support for Netanyahu.
And you will probably view this as a good thing, but plenty of Ukrainians are dead because of Trumps cutting military aid and trying to force Ukraine to make concession to Russia.
Americans have had billions stolen from them by Trump giving tax breaks and charging them pointless tariffs.
Trump also denied disaster aid to blue states after fires and floods, negatively effecting many Americans.
And he has turned ICE into his private police force.
To claim there is no difference just show you are willfully ignoring reality to hold an obviously flawed position. And quite frankly is insulting to the people the republicans have harmed. But again you don’t give a single shit about them, because they’re not real to you. They are just hypotheticals you use as pieces to push your own self serving moral superiority complex.
Insert Sure Jan meme here
Your post says not to vote for the lesser evil. Voting for the greater evil would be stupid. Are you advocating for voting third party then? What is your actual suggestion?