Pretty sure I was able to rearrange icons on my IPod Touch 4 in 2010.

“Mormon therapist” is a red flag for sure. And uh, mixed orientation marriages? uh…

No matter what happens, they have to invent some stupid shit. Would be nice if these deranged people got an education and something better to do with their collective time. it’s also like playing poker with some coked up asshole who accuses you of cheating even when you lose.

Republicans were gigantic pieces of shit long before Trump.

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Give each county one vote regardless of population? Classic anti-democracy Republican bullshit.

That’s not great, but the way elections are set up makes a 3rd party vote worse than useless. Better than not voting, but it doesn’t accomplish much.

primary centralist losers and try to turn the Ds left.

I appreciate that but it has to be a useful and rational plan that might actually work.

It is though. There have been 3rd party conservative spoilers too… it’s just that typically, it’s a Republican plot to fuck over Democrats.

It’s not worth doing that if it puts Republicans in charge, especially now when they’re basically planning on installing a dictator.

That’s great that you know about concepts like Sunk Cost Fallacy, but not so great that you apply it to something which has absolutely nothing to do with that. Ok, see you in a Republican concentration camp soon! Nice work! You really stamped out GENERCIDE, good job. It was all Joe Biden all along.

If EVERYONE who would otherwise vote D voted for them, yes. That’s not going to happen, hence the scenario I gave which you quoted. Split the non-conservative vote between two parties, and the conservatives win - how is that going to help?

Voting in primaries for people who support it would help. In general elections, how will that help since they can’t get elected?

That doesn’t mean it works well in those countries. Plus, there are other differences to how their governments are structured.

The only way that could possibly effective is if it was paired with comprehensive voting reform in every state (well, every state that matters).

A third party cannot win with the current first-past-the-post system. It’s so obvious that I can’t imagine why it would need to be explained. Have a good leftist candidate, it’ll take votes from the liberal. Popular conservative alt candidate, will take votes from the Republican. With our current roughly 50/50 balance, either one could result in the candidate with less support for their ideology winning. That’s how you end up with something like (theoretically) 25% Stein, 35% Biden, 40% Trump, and Trump wins because he had the plurality. Great.

That would be great, i agree we should! But blaming it all on Biden and discouraging people from voting for him is not going to achieve that.

So, you’ve intentionally or not missed the point that Biden does not make all the decisions for the US. He’s in a difficult position especially with Congress and Republicans overwhelmingly supporting Israel.

And you haven’t heard it from me. I don’t call him that.

That’s fine. I’m not only discussing you. I’m discussing “leftist bro” people who can’t stop talking shit about Biden constantly and don’t seem concerned at all about Republican plans for Trump and the country. If that’s you, then okay.

And any criticism of Biden is support for Trump.

Excessive, unfair and pointless criticism helps Trump, yes. Do Trump and Republicans deserve any crticism? Well, no way, I’ll just talk shit about Biden endlessly.

Griping about Biden enabling genocide on a small fledgling platform inhabited almost entirely by centrists who just want his critics to shut up isn’t going to throw anything.

So, it’s interesting how “so leftist bro” people come to places where people are likely to vote for Biden and try to erode his support. Guess who that would help?

You should be fucking livid that Biden is enabling genocide

How old are you? Israel has been doing this forever, with full US support. It’s been going on for decades before I was born. Were you livid when the French and British set up the whole thing in the 40s?

Sounds like a justification for never, ever stopping.

not in anyway whatsoever is that " justification for never, ever stopping". It’s pointing out that “OMG JOR BIDEN” is just a clueless thing to be fixating on. Again, as if Biden makes all the decisions for the entire country by himself. This was going on for decades before Biden was in power.

BuT nO OnE hErE sUpPoRtS gEnOcIdE.

That’s correct, nobody here support genocide. If you want to help Trump be in charge of Palestinian, Ukrainian, LGBT and central American genocides, keep it up.

How many disks did this come on, haha? Like 40?

I’m not really clear why. Biden has ran a competent administration and it’s been like night and day compared to the chaotic horror of the trump admin. Of course, Biden should absolutely be pressured to change policy on Israel. AIPAC is a very powerful force in US politics, however. This is likely to be a close election and talking endless shit about Biden and encouraging people from voting or encouraging them to vote 3rd party absolutely is a gift to Trump. Netanyahu would love for Trump to be elected, as would Putin. It would be a greenlight for them to be even worse in their respective wars. Denigrating Biden and eroding his support will not solve anything for Palestine, and will totally screw Ukraine and Americans.

Quite obviously, I oppose genocide, and the Palestinians have deserved much better for years. Throwing this election over that issue makes absolutely no sense, though.