Point is so that you might accidentally click on some F2P crap over there and actually spend more money than you would have otherwise. Bonus points if it’s Fortnite. They love filling it with so much confetti and showing off. Brings a lot of money.

It doesn’t work like that. Encrypted messages will not become unreadable for other clients. They will become undecryptable for users of other clients.

No, I’m not saying that.

First time I read about such thing being included in TOS. Care to link something relevant? I can’t imagine how they are going to control that or ban any client or wipe data transmitted by them.

No, my argument is “this argument about a gun being used is invalid. It’s not used for now”.

I’m pretty sure if there would be enough demand for strong encryption there would be OTR forks of Telegram that would become popular. There is no such thing now. People use Telegram for stuff that is not “1on1 talks that I want to be strongly protected” in overwhelming majority of cases. People choose convenience. Encryption is useless when you are getting reported on by people in your chats or when you don’t know what you’re doing. Stupidity breaks any encryption, see that latest Signal case.

I’m Russian, have a good knowledge about protest activity. Amount of people being unlawfully arrested, prosecuted, and jailed, is abnormally big. Yet, with this amount of cases you’d guess there will be at least some links or evidence of Telegram being a career, or a link that allowed to find certain users and arrest them. Such a case would be a huge deal for a lot of people. There is no such case as far as I’m aware.

Telegram is a platform that is used by both prey and a hunter. It doesn’t actively try to protect the prey. It does contain abilities that one could utilize to protect themselves. But it certainly does not help the hunter. Hunter can try to utilize various tools that would use Telegram, and help them get the data on the prey. But that data would not be exclusive. It won’t be a result of Telegram saying “we got your request for this user, here is the data that they hide, enjoy”. It would be a public data from public chats, or data that has been manufactured using social engineering. Telegram is not a side in this process, it’s a field.

There are other platforms that really provide data (private data, or data not easily reachable) by request from authorities, we know it and avoid them. That would be VK. It was created by Durov, but now it’s operated by authorities basically.

So when I see stuff like “owner of Telegram servers had some links to FSB”, “someone could get your data if they monitor your traffic” etc., it doesn’t strike me. Those have nothing to do with the “Telegram shares your data with authorities” narrative, which remains unproven. Durov is a creator of VK that now haunts on Russians, he is not a genius I would like him to be. But Telegram administration doesn’t seem to share the data I want to keep secret with anyone, for now.

The interpreter knows that this is not something anyone will ever do on purpose, so it should not silently handle it.

You basically defied the whole NaN thing. I may even agree that it should always throw an error instead, but… Found a good explanation by someone:

NaN is the number which results from math operations which make no sense

And the above example fits that.

"hello" - 1 makes no sense at all.

Yeah but actually there can be many interpretations of what someone would mean by that. Increase the bytecode of the last symbol, or search for “1” and wipe it from string. The important thing is that it’s not obvious what a person who wrote that wants really, without additional input.

Anyway, your original suggestion was about discrepancy between + and - functionality. I only pointed out that it’s natural when dealing with various data types.

Maybe it is one of the reasons why some languages use . instead of + for strings.

If you try what I wrote it will throw a NaN. I was asking about the first part of the proposal.

• should also do some string action

Like what kind of string action?

“Hello” + " world" is what everyone can understand. Switch with “-” and it becomes pointless.

I only mean that the requirements are high enough for someone to stop using it at some point, losing users of that server in the process. It might be different if it didn’t require running a server. Or they could choose to host their rooms on some existing server, I guess.

I’ll think about if they also somehow prohibit 3rd party clients from removing that AI garbage.

I really need some free time in my life to try those arrs with unraid, and telegram bots too…

Pretty much yes. It has channels so there are news channels, personal channels etc. At some point when I discovered Twitter for myself I hated it so much for not being able to simply read subscribed accounts just like telegram does it. It’s too convenient as a feeds app.

My biggest gripe with it is about electron. I refuse to keep it running on my PC. Even the damned Whatsapp converted to something better.

Seems like you have to keep something running for it to work. Some obscure service relied on it as a support channel and last thing I remember is that matrix server stopped working. Though it would help so much if it would be p2p.

Probably depends on the data. For example if you are a corporate worker and know that cameras are recording data which is kept not for 6 hours but for months, you are less likely to commint something bad.

That’s different from what I asked. It’s about the other users or hackers, not services. I already live under assumption that no server of any service can be trusted.

Its encryption is weak, its servers completely opaque

Does this mean someone actually can do something to data submitted by me to telegram servers, or my encrypted chats? If that’s so I’d like to know a concrete example or a workflow.

Last I checked, JPEG XL takes a lot of time and resources to encode (create) an image, if you actually want it to be far more optimized than JPEG.

I think it is also a kind of “you did a nice thing there, so I’ll act as if I can do the same” display.

Tip: you can also protect yourself from other group chat users leaking screenshots of your hateful comments - just don’t be an asshole, it’s not that difficult.