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Yeah I saw when that happened. I don’t do the open sharing. But it is easy to identify me as a Jew plenty of other ways. Including online with things attached to my real name. So it is what it is.

Yeah this doesn’t bother me. And I tend to be a somewhat paranoid person. But I got convinced to do one of these by my partner. And so far, no regrets. They had some family surprises, but they don’t regret it either. If they make some cool new meds with my DNA (honestly even if I have only the knowledge that they made meds from 23andme) I’m just going to go around saying hey that might have my DNA in it.

Just wait until you guys find out what they’re really doing is cloning us all to replace us with mindless worker drones. I accidentally met mine. They were nice. Bought me a coffee. Then I got real sleepy and woke up half buried in the woods. Real strange day.

It’s interconnected, sure, but I think you’d have an uphill battle that it doesn’t belong to that person.

I mean you apparently can’t read one full tweet from a Russian asset, so why don’t we just hold off on that educated claim. Wouldn’t want you to get in trouble for false advertising.

I really have to stop arguing political theory with little kids. It’s bad for my blood pressure.

But just one more thing, how does anarchy protect minority groups from mob rule? How do you keep a smooth talking fascist from implementing a populist fascist movement? What does protection even mean in the context of anarchy? Or did you just watch batman too much and decided the joker was really cool?

You’re correct. I conflated that time period. Obama pushed for and got sanctions against Russia. Then Trump said it was ok that Russia annexed crimea, undermined the sanctions, and removed talk of Ukraine sovereignty from the party platform.

My bad.

She literally said they only invaded because they had a gun to their head and the response was relatively moderate. You said she is talking about western foreign policy. I built no straw man. You both just said that shit. No one pointed shit at Russia. Russia didn’t like the new government in Ukraine. Took over crimea. Trump was in office so the response was meh. So then Putin went for round 2. And she said it was in response to being threatened. And was a moderate response.

Why don’t you take your tankie ass to Ukraine and see the moderate response first hand.

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Oh. Oh. Thanks for clearing that up. The west made Russia invade Ukraine. They had to do it. Because of the west. Fucking idiot. Do you realize how stupid you sound?

Yeah see how that turns out if the republicans win next election. They facilitate fascism by being the only alternative to actual fascist politicians. They certainly aren’t perfect, but seriously how do you think it plays out if enough morons like you vote for Putin apologist Stein? What do you think the end result will be?

Are you fucking stupid or just full on tankie? What she said is the equivalent to when someone starts a statement with “I’m not racist but…”

She says it was a mild response? A response to what? What forced Russia to invade? Did Ukraine start pointing nukes at Russia? Fuck no. That was Russian apologist propaganda.

There is a fucking chasm wider than the grand canyon between being left on the political spectrum and being a stalin apologist. And pretending that third parties in the US elections format don’t act as spoilers and that is a liberal myth is either (a) just being really fucking stupid or (b) some tankie bullshit made by a person living in lala land.

See, I’m complex enough to acknowledge that the democrats kind of suck overall, having multiple parties would be better, but also accepting that given how the current system functions things can absolutely be worse if Trump wins again. Let us not forget that last time Stein implicitly supported Trump saying she like he won’t be able to get anything done but Hillary is efficient and will likely make things worse. Stein is fully capable of pulling just enough votes that Trump could win. And last time that ended Roe v Wade. This time, say buh bye to assistance for Ukraine. He wanted to fuck up NATO before. I’m sure that’d be real high priority now.

The perfect is the enemy of the good. This is not how I’d like the world to be. But there is no magic wand and you can’t just pretend things are totally different and think that has an effect.

Yeah because why let facts get in the way of your alternative reality, tankie. I’m a very lefty guy and not a fan of the Dems. But splitting votes is real and a real strategy. Say something when she doesn’t focus only on battleground states and her funding is all grass roots.

Should’ve stayed with Larry.

No it won’t. They would lie while watching a video showing it is a lie. And later they would lie that any of it ever took place.

And his true believers would accept it all.

I should’ve read the article instead of just glancing. I got it into my head that he made it into the country and was in his way out.

And, honestly, I forgot about customs. Yeah nothing to do but notify someone at that point. Because on my last few flights, even international, for whatever reason they’ve just pushed me on through. I look that fucking boring.

I don’t stash guns in my briefcase so this wouldn’t be an issue, but let us suppose I did and it was. Then if I made it to Hong Kong, I’d probably dismantle it, dispose of the pieces in separate places, and find out how to safely dispose of the bullets (because I’d hate to trash them and they get tossed into an incinerator and go off or something absurd like that).

I definitely wouldn’t try to fly with it back, but I just don’t know that I could trust authorities to act right.

Take that cars and swimming pools!

So basically any time a group of politicians decide they don’t like the laws then they don’t have to follow them and can do whatever they want? Big Trump supporter huh?

And there is an entire legal process for which those politicians could have had a legal referendum. They just decided that was too hard.

It is a complicated issue, because forming a functioning society is a complicated process. And Catalunya has entered into agreements from which they can’t just act like little Timmy on the playground and say it didn’t count because it was reverse day when he said it.

And again. I don’t have strong feelings about the amnesty other than the external problems it could cause like an ultra right government coming into power next election. I don’t even have major feelings about whether they should be allowed to leave. I do think it would be disastrous for them. They would essentially become a landlocked country, outside of the EU, lose freedom of movement to anywhere but Andorra probably, just holding the illegal referendum caused them to lose so much business and for what purpose?

This isn’t the same as the issues in Basque country that predated the EU. It isn’t Ireland. This is much closer to Brexit where a minority of politicians are pushing an ideology of Us vs Them. And I’m aware that there are legitimate complaints that Catalunya has. But there are much easier and more practical ways of trying to fix those complaints.

What’s happening here is more similar to Milton county Georgia begging to be annexed by Fulton county (Atlanta) when they were broke, but now that things are good they want to leave and no longer be part of a system that has certainly benefitted them in many ways.

You are being an ideologue. You should give pragmatism a try.

It’s really a complicated issue. They broke the law. They knew they were breaking the law. As far as democracy goes, there is a legal path for them to take but it is a much higher bar (similar to the bar of adding an amendment to the constitution). They chose not to. They were warned. Now they are being held accountable. That being said, the heavy hand that the national government used also made things worse.

This amnesty isn’t for the average separatist. It is for the politicians who broke constitutional laws. I live in another region of Spain and hold no strong feelings about the amnesty either way. My biggest worry is how the whole thing plays out and if it gives vox(super right wing party) a boost within the national politics. We are a literally just like 3 parliamentary seats from having them hold massive sway over the government here.

Honestly this whole country, Catalunya included, would be better off if all that shit hadn’t happened. For them it would’ve been worse than Brexit. Regardless of what they think. And once it happened, it certainly gave a rallying cry for Vox and their ultranationalism.

I also really want this current government to stay in so they can maybe spend another four years trying to fix that bullshit gag law that they failed to do this term. I am not a fan of PP and I cannot imagine the damage they will do when they are held hostage by Vox.