• 0 Posts
  • 13 Comments
Joined 2 months ago
cake
Cake day: December 20th, 2024

help-circle
  • You are correct. In laymens terms the constitutional court of germany sided with the two citizens challenging the use of electronic/digital voting machines with the thought that it is inpossible to differentiate between legitimate and fraudulent results unless a technology is presented where the votes cast can be verified as legitimate instead of being obfuscated by ghe technology of the devices themselves and requiring technical experts to translate the outcome and mechanisms of the technology.

    Here is the basic text summarizing their decision.

    “all essential steps of an election are subject to the possibility of public scrutiny unless other constitutional interests justify an exception . . . The use of voting machines which electronically record the voters’ votes and electronically ascertain the election result only meets the constitutional requirements if the essential steps of the voting and of the ascertainment of the result can be examined reliably and without any specialist knowledge of the subject . . . The very wide-reaching effect of possible errors of the voting machines or of deliberate electoral fraud make special precautions necessary in order to safeguard the principle of the public nature of elections.”

    they didn’t say that electronic votes are all fraudulent, obviously (not that this is what anyone is saying here) but rather that the technology itself is subject to manipulation by those who control the technology and know how to manipulate it or even that errors could change the results and ultimately this undermines constituent’s rights to fair elections in the age of technocratic oligarchy and multinational corporate corruption/ interference.

    That being said there are obviously other ways to manipulate elections outside of the ballot counting itself such as gerrymandering, mis/disinformation and even political violence to name several but at least the german election system seems to be protected from outright manipulation of votes via obfuscated technological / programed software mechanisms








  • Moderates? you mean centrists? Leftists shouldn’t be moderate. A moderate leftist is a neo liberal and a neo liberal is a right leaning centrist pretending to be a leftist.

    Also hamas inst a terrorist group its a liberstion resistance group. Israel was literally born of terrorism and nothing resembling radical islamic terrorism existed till the 1960’s before then from 1899 till 1948 we had the irgun hagannah palmach and lehi waging a campaign of terror responsible for dozens of violent attacks and murfering between 6 and 8 thousand Palestinian jews, Christians and muslims as well as british military personnel and other international citizens caught in the crossfire. Zionists are the true terrorists in this conflict. If you dont agree youre not on the left you’re a right leaning centrist making excuses for a settler colonial state guilty of war crimes.



  • I don’t disagree. I think what you’re proposing is indeed a more truly decentralized model.

    But ultimately the real world is where we need progress and as long as the internet (and language as a whole) exists there will be actors attempting to manipulate the narrative to their benefit by any means possible.

    I do think democracy can be subject to manipulation regardless of ones ideals of altruism. Sometimes people are not adequately educated and then their input into a democratic system only serves to harm the collective. It may be time for new models of governance within society and communities wherever they may exist.