Wow, that looks amazing! Will definitely check it out for a side project :)

Thanks for clarifying.

Hamas does not provide any figures for its military fatalities. The Reuters news agency reported that an official had admitted 6,000 fighters had been killed, but Hamas denied this figure to the BBC.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68387864

I didn’t mention the 1.2k killed Israelis, and as such also didn’t describe all of them as civilians, like OP did in the case of the Palestinian casualties.

Unfortunately you disqualified yourself from further discussions by describing all IDF soldiers as terrorists. You might have noticed that I described the Hamas casualties in Gaza as “fighters” to avoid using charged terms, even though they are part of a terrorist group according to the EU and in my opinion could be described as such.

The +30k confirmed death toll in Gaza includes Hamas fighters. In mid-February according to Hamas 6000 of their combatants have been killed, according to Israel 12000, so the true number will be somewhere in the middle.

Still, a terrible price the civilians of Gaza are paying of course.

Honestly, I think we are not that far from each other.

Netanyahu propped up Hamas for years exactly because he knew that there wouldn’t be a unified Palestinian state as long as they are in charge. That was one of the ways his governments worked against the worked against a two-state solution.

You a wrong in thinking that Hamas is not oppressing Gazans just as much as Israel is though. They are the reason why there hasn’t been a democratic election in Gaza since 2006.

Why should they not have an election?

Because Hamas doesn’t want an election. They are in power. They got rid of Fatah in Gaza. Do you think if there would be a free and open election in Gaza, Israel could have stopped it before October 7th?

At least Hamas stopped throwing their inner-Palestinian opposition off high-rise roofs since 2007, from what I heard. Now you might just mercifully get shot as an “Israeli spy”.

I’m all for a free Palestine, but the way there isn’t Hamas for gods sake.

That’s… what do you mean by “current war”?

The war of the last 4 months.

Hamas bears the responsibility for killing 766 civilians. Israel bears the responsibility for killing 30 000 civilians. If you start counting on October 7th, that is.

The count of 30k deaths in Gaza includes civilians and Hamas fighters (but Hamas doesn’t publish these numbers). But you subtract alleged Israeli military/police deaths on October 7th from Hamas’ death toll.

That it’s somehow not the responsibility of those perpetrating it, but instead those who (in your opinion) threw the first rock?

I said “main responsibility”. Of course Israel still has responsibility for the deaths in Gaza. But people act like Hamas didn’t anticipate Israels counterstrike exactly like it unfolded (not that I think that it is a good thing that Israel acted exactly in that way).

if you go by the numbers, it’s 766 civilians killed on October 7th vs 2600-3000 on 9/11

In a country that is 36 times smaller than the US. Look at what 9/11 caused psychologically on a societal level in the US, and how it affected the political decisions in the decade after (sadly).

In the end, Hamas did start the current war, and bears the main responsibility for the civilian deaths on both sides during it. At the same time, I loathe the current Israeli government, and do think that there have been war crimes committed in Gaza by the IDF, that need to be investigated. The thing is, the Israeli government can and will be replaced in the next election. The same is not possible for Hamas, who are just as detrimental to a two state solution.

Most people commenting in this thread seem to have it all figured out and have very clear opinions for a conflict that simply is not that easy to solve.

Like most of the time, the answer is complex: Yes, there is less wind in the south, but also yes, the south could approve more wind turbines. Yes, the south slows down the construction of high voltage power lines from the wind-rich north to the energy-hungry south, but the states that have to be crossed also do “their part”.

In the end a couple different electricity-pricing regions would help in balancing all of this.