That website was the fastest loading website I’ve ever visited.

Where did I accuse them of selling data right now? I’m simply deducing that they will have to cover the insane costs of their inefficient infrastructure through either becoming a paid app or collecting data to sell.

And my point is that since their costs are so high they will either have to become a paid app or start collecting data to sell. Or become more efficient but you’d think if they knew how they’d already done that.

I think the main red flag is that they are spending so much money. In 2023 they had 55m monthly active users and they spent $35m. The casual WhatsApp user that might switch to Signal is definitely not gonna pay for this so either Signal fans have to donate more or Signal has to start finding other monetization which if we look at other companies means selling private data.

(Also, half their spending is on hosting and they are not self hosting so a donation to Sognal is basically a donation to Amazon and Google.)

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Because Signal is not decentralized nor anonymous

During onboarding of the app you only choose a name and get a random email address

How is it different? In my experience it’s easier as they’ve already heard of email.

The protocol doesn’t really matter when you send encrypted messages over it like Delta Chat. Signal is not private nor decentralized and SimpleX doesn’t have encrypted group chats last time I tried

I asked specifically for relevant issues and you just link general issues with smtp that have no impact on Delta Chat?

SMTP is not secure

Delta Chat sends encrypted messages over it so that’s irrelevant.

SMTP is not efficiency

Your phone can run LLMs, it can send a couple packets. Also this “chattyness” can be seen as an advantage as it is extremely robust and works on any network however inconsistent.

SMTP doesn’t have a way to ensure stuff is delivered

Yeah duh? It’s decentralized. You can’t ensure that the recipient doesn’t take down their server?…

Etc. I feel like I’m wasting my time replying to all these because it seems you didn’t even take the time to read them yourself.

Could you be more concrete? In what relevant way do you think it does not work as an instant messenger? Keep in mind that Delta Chat is not a theoretical thing and it works as well as any other messenger.

Because delta chat is using an open protocol (email) and you can run your own servers meaning it is decentralized unlike Signal. Also it is actually anonymous unlike Signal, so you don’t need to give anyone your phone number and people can’t find where you live just by knowing your username.

E-mail is an excellent protocol for messaging, see delta.chat

If you want decentralized private messaging see https://delta.chat/

Delta Chat aims for “WhatsApp-level” simplicity and these webxdc zips are just called “apps” when regular users interact with them in the Delta Chat app.

This blog post goes a bit more in-depth on what they are, how they work and how you can build one. Which I thought would be interesting for this Technology forum.

Yeah the spec is at https://webxdc.org/ and it is implemented by Delta Chat and a couple XMPP clients.

I don’t use Matrix so I’m not sure.

simple to use

• share a webxdc zip file in your chat
• ???
• profit

Not sure how to make that simpler

big accounts won’t move over, nor will their followers.

This post is about private messaging, not social media.

They are apps that use a messenger as backend, so basically your conversation with someone else has all the state of the webxdc. In Delta Chat that would be the encrypted email thread.

To use a webxdc share it in any of the mentioned messaging apps.

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