I didn’t realize we were arguing about whether NATO would dissolve… of course it will. Frankly I didn’t think that question was really all that contentious, in fact it’s fairly obvious isn’t it?

NATO will instantly be invalidated, dissolve, whatever, and the Allies will switch over to other mutual defense agreements.

Are you suggesting that NATO would break and the soldiers there would immediately lay down their guns and surrender to the US? Like Trump has just found one weird trick that NATO hates?

I don’t need to imagine, you said it plainly. There would not be a war.

What I’m saying is that there are EU and Canadian troops there. They are likely going to get in the way of the US if the US decides to occupy a port, or whatever it is the US decides to do to ‘take Greenland’. If the Allies try to prevent it and the Axis kills someone in the process, that will be difficult to just brush off politically. If Greenlanders die due to bombing, same thing.

I would be interested to know how anyone can imagine an Axis occupation of Greenland that doesn’t involve Axis powers exercising lethal force. What is the actual plan from Trump?

If the US killed EU soldiers, it might go rather differently than you think.

Yeah but you need to have some sort of industrial policy in place as well - to build infrastructure and subsidize onshoring. He’s doing the opposite. He even cancelled the CHIPS Act, which was aimed at onshoring semiconductor production. No company is going to open manufacturing facilities in the US under this enormous economic volatility and without any government help to get started.

He’s an abject fucking moron who, I’m convinced, is trying to reset wages and create a class of low paid wage slaves while funeling huge amounts of money to the wealthy. He’s certainly going to cause stagflation and astronomical wealth inequality. If he succeeds fucking with interest rates he may cause hyperinflation. If the US loses global reserve currency status, they are proper fucked.

At this point, it can only end one way. Even if he’s out of the picture, the damage he’s done will last for a generation at least. He may have already torpedoed US economic superpower status.