NoneOfUrBusiness

Yeah fair enough.

That’s true, but it’s still up to them whether they want to get arrested over social media comments somebody else made.

Y’all should actually read the post. They’re clear that they don’t want to do this but fear extreme repression by the German government, and they even listed examples of what exactly they’re trying to avoid. I’m no Israel apologist, but I’m convinced.

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That’s what I thought too, but then again depending on where you put the comma it could be read as it being okay to talk about a one-state solution if you explicitly state that Jews should have equal rights in that one state unless you call for the dissolution of Israel, which to be fair isn’t impossible but… yeah.

The rest of it reeks of trying to evade the rules as well.

Oh that wasn’t my intention. I just wanted clarification because calling for a one-state solution is calling for the dissolution of Israel, so I wasn’t sure (and am still not sure) what the difference between the two is intended to be. So my question is: What rhetoric is allowed (and, probably more importantly, not allowed) when talking about a one-state solution?

Calling for the dissolution of Israel, or calling for a one-state solution without specifying equal rights for all people; Jewish in particular.

So can I say “screw Israel; dismantle that apartheid state and build a true democracy with equal rights for everyone (including Jews) in its place”? The way this part is worded it could go either way.

Also wow that stuff you listed sounds really dystopian.

My man/woman/compadre, objecting to strike busting isn’t purity testing; it’s enforcing the bare minimum standard to ensure that at the end of all this America isn’t run by a duopoly between Reagans and Hitlers like it is now.

Idk man I could see this exact title appearing on an Onion article.

Oh, the environment thing is true, fair enough.

I personally have no problem with AI (all your problems with AI can be solved by overthrowing capitalism), but I don’t want to hear anything from these guys.

Can these guys get any more depraved?

The borders Israel has with actual proper states are actually relativly secure for the last decades.

Israel has been occupying land in Syria since last December, so not quite, but also consider: These borders are stable because they’re with large states that are willing and capable of fighting back if they’re attacked. Egypt and Syria forced through this paradigm shift with the October war.

Besides Lebanon that is and even there the problem is not the Lebanese government.

The problem is not with the Lebanese government because the Lebanese government doesn’t do shit when their territorial integrity is violated. Remember that it was Hezbollah and other militias, not the Lebanese government, who fought Israel until it left Lebanon in 2000.

Israel in theory gives Arabic citizens the same rights as Jewish citizens.

Yes, but only in theory. Israeli discrimination against their Palestinians citizens is a lot less straightforward than what they do in Gaza and the West Bank, but iit’s a thing. The short of it is:

Heribert Adam and Kogila Moodley wrote in 2006 that Israeli Palestinians are “restricted to second-class citizen status when another ethnic group monopolizes state power” because of legal prohibitions on access to land, as well as the unequal allocation of civil service positions and per capita expenditure on educations between “dominant and minority citizens”.

There’s also the Bedouin villages thing.

Unfortunatly with Israel being attacked by Arabs on a regular bases, hatred can not be easily fixed.

Please don’t legitimize Israel’s narrative that it’s always being unfairly attacked by evil Arabs. All attacks against Israel are blowback from its own reign of terror and ethnic cleansing over Palestinians. Israel is attacked by Arabs on a regular basis because it attacks Arabs on a regular basis, and they’re dealing out much more violence than they’re getting dealt in return.

I honestly believe a proper peace deal is needed and the only realistic way to get that is to have a two state solution.

I mean the one-state solution exists, but apparently rule 4 prevents me from talking about that around here so just look it up. In the case of a two-state solution, however, a lot of radical reform is going to be necessary on the Israeli side. Classic offenders like the Jewish National Fund obviously need to go, and a lot of systemic racism and legal and practical double standards will have to go. Againz a two-state solution is possible, but it cannot and must not leave Israel in its present state.

The rest is just having a nation state and Israel is not a fully 100% Jewish state right now, as it has a large Arab minority.

A large Arab minority that they systematically oppress and exploit. Palestinians in Israel are closer to black people in America than Jews under Nazi Germany, but they’re still very much a victim of Israel’s Apartheid regime, mostly de facto but sometimes also de jure. Now I’m not saying a two-state solution is unworkable (though I do think it’s unoptimal and also unlikely), but Israel’s government and society would need to be remade from the ground up, not left as it is.

Apartheid is not genocide, as it does not try to destroy the group.

True, but as the last few years have clearly shown in Israel, America and Europe, you can’t stand on the cliff of faacism and hope you don’t fall in; either you pull back in time or you’ll fall right in. Start with a state that explicitly favors Jews over Palestinians and you’re bound to end up with some form of fascism over the long term.

What Fritz doesn’t understand is that you can be very much in favor of the existence of the state of Israel, without supporting the current genocidal Israeli government.

Okay this one is… Well, it’s not impossible, but it’s at least a little self-contradictory. You can’t accept a Jewish state in Palestine without being okay with some level of apartheid; that’s how you keep the Jewish state a Jewish state and not just a state with a big number of Jews. Artificially drawn borders and tyranny of the majority are kind of the name of the game here.

Man are you a broken record or something? I’ve tried to stay civil but if you want to talk about these things you should answer the damn questions you’re asked rather than repeat your Zionist alt history fanfictions for the umpteenth time. And no, I’m not interested in continuing this “discussion”. People like you will have no sympathy from me when wherever you live is taken over by fascists.

Here’s hoping this trend continues.

Only that they aren’t imagining it but there really are enough groups poised to destroy it.

Okay I’m not getting sucked down this hole again. My question is: How long do Palestinians need to wait? When will Israel not be able to use its existence as an excuse to kill Palestinians? Do you intend to wait until Israel has killed or expelled them all before you stop carrying water for genocide?

“Filthy” was sarcasm if that wasn’t clear. What I wanted to say is: I’m surprised that they’re going to allow Albania, a country with a majority Muslim population, into the EU, because I would’ve thought their bigotry would get the better of them. Islamophobia has been a thing in Europe for a good while and never gotten better if recent election results are any indication. I also took the opportunity to throw shade at European conduct during the Bosnian War because that was fucked up.

I mean I doubt Germans in 1930 saw the Holocaust coming. Give it 20 years.