Also, I don’t see locking data from search engines as a bad thing. The fediverse isn’t search engine searchable either

The fediverse not being searchable is one of the biggest flaws with it, and make it similarly ephemeral to Discord, except its actually worse because the sizes of communities are just in that goldilocks area of awfulness where there are echo chambers, and people are rude and toxic. Whatsmore, availability due to the small size is relatively mediocre.

However, it’s free and they have to support it somehow.

These arguments might just give me an aneurysm.

This has let so many horrible free to play games off the hook while they literally make billions in profits and have astounding profit margins.

Discord makes money.

In a non hyper greed infested world, they could simply coast at the level of wealth they are at now, still making free money for their investors, paying their workers, and improving the service, without making peoples lives shittier.

There is no reason to justify this shit.

Have you not seen the world? Everything, no matter how horrific, can always get infinitely worse.

The PIF could buy it and ban gay people. Israel could buy it and persecute people against genocide. A rich right wing billionaire could buy it and force even more nazi memes upon the youth. They could make a monetized limit to how many servers one can join that is purposefully below any sane reasonable or normal level. They could make PMs pay per message.

There are infinite ways it can get worse. Infinite.

It also makes giving or getting any kind of support a hellish time sink, but that’s almost besides the point…

You know, this comment just made me realize this might actually be the point for some companies.

Its a cheap way to pretend that you care about customer service, while actually dissuading customers strongly from actually trying. Its also completely easy to bot vs having a human on a phone line.

A great problem of our society is there being too many problems to have any group of people focus on enough to get any of them solved.

If every issue has just 2% of people caring about it, companies can easily just write those 2% off and do business as usual.

This is why to not have an enshitifed world it has to be top down, and people have to participate in politics logically as opposed to based on which groups of people they hate.

The basic maths of it just doesn’t work for any sort of bottom up action.

It would have to be a relative time of quiet and one company sticking out like a sore thumb for long enough for them to be damaged.

You have seen how rapidly things are getting worse.

There is not going to be that happening, and even if there were, it wouldn’t be enough as there are thousands more issues.

I don’t do the work to back up somebody else’s opinion.

Yet you expect others to do that here for you.

You are sealioning right now. You’re asking someone else to do a shit ton of work under the guise of “just asking questions” pretending to have healthy discourse.

A lot of this sites people suck and its filled with people justifying absurd things, but right here, you are asking a question so open ended its tantamount to asking for a thesis paper, and those would still be scrutinized.

Your troll shtick doesn’t work once its revealed you’re a troll. You no longer enrage, you just look foolish.

Of course, it would be better if they didn’t, but can you really blame them when the system is stacked against us?

Yes, specifically when they use even a tiny bit of that little free time to beat down others who actually try, or when they don’t pay attention to the only ways they could possibly lessen the awful situation.

You personalized this beyond all reason. There was no malicious reading just someone trying to understand what you where trying to say.

Oh right, thats where the “You are worried someone is going to take this comment personally, get hurt, and then run to their corporate overlords” comes from. From you not being malicious at all.

Apparently, I was dead on

You are obviously a troll at this point. Obviously being completely wrong in every conceivable way confirms you were actually right…

Calling someone a bootlicker for telling people that solidarity is better than inner class fighting is so absurd you being a troll is the only logical conclusion.

Given you have another comment that goes like this::

I made statements, you can choose to do whatever you want with them. Trying to simplify this into good and bad is definitely a failing on your part.

I have spent decades studying this stuff so my perspective will be informed and wildly different than yours. That is okay.

I was raised Republican, became a Democrat, and now I vote Independent based on policy not feelings. I am very aware how all sides think.

I think its pretty much confirmed you are indeed a troll.

vote Independent based on policy not feelings.

Lol

Never had one actually. Like I might have created some temp at some point, but I’ve never really used it.

Just about the only social media I do is either anonymous, person to person (like discord) or linked in because well… for obvious reasons.

In our world of people dismissing any issue that isn’t their own, nothing matters, and only the worst people win.

If people didn’t leave before this, this or that group getting pissed off won’t be the death of it then either.

We don’t need everyone to care about everything, but the current paradigm of not only apathy, but actively fighting against other peoples causes because they aren’t your own has really doomed us.

Isn’t this more dependant on the server? Like sure a client might be doing that, but for people just using web pages this is the standard behaviour across most instances.

What in the literal fuck are you on about. You are worried someone is going to take this comment personally, get hurt, and then run to their corporate overlo

No. What the fuck are you on about.

Your malicious read of my pretty clear comment is so obviously absurd its like Im talking to a rage bait ai bot…

Their comment placed blame on people for simply existing in a world that is increasingly enshitified by subscriptions and my comment clearly was aimed at reaiming that blame at who deserves it rather than fighting people in the same class as you.

I think you are taking this in perhaps the most bizarre way possible.

Says the person doing mental gymnastics to read the comment in a nonsensical way so they can be toxic about it.

All those horror movie characters, as it turns out, were actually toned down, because if they were realistic, it wouldn’t seem believable …

They can’t even use the usual enshittification excuses, this is just being greedy dicks.

The usual enshitification excuses are companies just being greedy dicks, and more than anything, a lack of regulation enforcement existing to stop companies simply outspending other companies out of business.

Where “happy” is a euphemism for something not to be said amongst mixed company.

This is ultimately just punching sideways and down though.

These companies will win when your strategy is to simply shit on other people for existing.

You may not think that is what you’re doing but it is. How so? Because while you care about this area of life enough to get into the details, for other people, their areas of care are completely different, and it is unreasonable for you to expect everyone to care about precisely what you care about.

As such, punching down and sideways only serves the purpose of making an environment where only the rich and powerful band together, and the poor (us) routinely infight and chop off our own legs rather than realizing that these megacorps hiring leagues of lobbyists, psychologists, marketers, etc know exactly how to push, and know that exactly the person you are bitching at will almost certainly never see your comment, or will consider it hostile and irrelevant so it wont matter either way.

Like every comment like yours that I have ever seen, I would bet money you didn’t quite say what you are claiming to say here, didn’t say it in a way that would imply the same thing, and didn’t get quite the reaction you are saying you got.

People, especially on lemmy are looking for any cope that Ai will just fall apart by itself and no longer bother them by existing, so they’ll upvote whatever lets them think that.

The reality that we are just heading towards the trough of disappear wherethe investor hype peters off and then we eventually just have a legitimately useful technology with all the same business hurdles of any other technology (tech bros trying to control other peoples lives to enrich themselves or harm people they don’t like)