They phased out their subsidies in 2022

They still have a trade in program to get ICE vehicles off the road.

Buyers of any EV not just American EVs.

I was talking about china, their federal govt ended ev subsidies in 2022. I suspect some city and provincial level govts still do various types of subsidies.

We they imprisoned for not wanting to be controlled by a dictatorship?

Bro are you trying to justify slavery in the US? You dont have to do that to criticize China. But you have to have to learn about its actual problems, not just accept any silly stories western media comes up with. Try visiting some time, its incredibley cheap, you can rent out decent sized apartments for 15/night in most cities, theres also sleeper trains, combine transport and 1 nights lodging, and food is often <2usd/meal.

Imagine Trump declaring that every college grad needs to make themselves available to build a border wall.

That’s not how that works at all, they simply invest more into educating people into a particular field to ensure there will be enough people with the required skills in a particular area.

How did you even misinterpret my post like that?

The average new truck costs 50% more. Every small car they sell is a lost truck sale.

5K/year isn’t exactly poverty when rent is <200, phone data is 20, and you can get pic for 1.50 USD. I too would like them to be treated better, but I dont know if their overall situation is worse than the average american worker making 50K, but spending 24K on rent, 12K on car payments, and 16USD if they eat out.

China builds cars using massive government subsidies

The federal government ended the the EV subsidy a few years ago.

slave labor

lmao. We know what slavery looks like, you can see it in the cotton fields outside Angola Prison, rows of enslaved people, and overseer on a horse, all behind barbed wire. In Xinjiang I saw farmers driving combine harvesters in roadside fields.

local resources that arent available

You’re getting closer. Through 1 and 5 year plans, the CPC uses SoEs (and sometimes just asks private companies “nicely”) to ensure the foundational inputs, steel, rubber, chips, college graduates, etc are all available to industry at the specific price point and volume that competing private firms need to produce say, 100m EVs or a million more apartments.

Any country can do a little central planning to make sure private industry has what it needs, but this only works if you’re able to take action against companies that exploit the system.

He has a way with words, but only for the dumbest purposes. “This has not been touched by human hands” -Trump Describing McDonalds.

“Theres nowhere to hide in the oval office. It doesnt have corners”

Mike Pillow

A kitchen towel?

What is a tea towel?

Yeah those are all pretty valid. Going cashless requires a lot more from society than just giving everyone an app.

Or like the one bar I go to is still kinda lawless haha, a PBR is $2.

lmao you should see how cheap liquor is in asia.

Regarding 2 and 3, theres a qualitative difference between the chinese government mandating corporations respect privacy and not retain or use biometric data and the US doing so (with the EU somewhere in the middle, usually), and what they have historically used that data for.

Regarding 1, in the event of a total societal collapse where not even phone towers are running, I’m not sure how much utility money would have.

Crazy that this technology still exists. Half my credit cards don’t even have raised numbers.

I’ve never even seen a manual card reader machine. How does it know if a card is declined?

Sure, nothing is lower tech than locked box with a slot in it, except maybe accepting IOUs, but most businesses that handle cash today still go down if power goes out, cell service is a little more reliable though.

Oh yeah, no in America or Europe, if everyone used an app to do basic functions like buying food, it would be exploited to make everything worse, no shot that it would be regulated in a way that favors the people rather than the banks.

Wechat and Alipay do all that except the not keeping a record of transactions. There’s tons of food places where the entire payment system is just a printed QR code and they just tell you how much to pay so there’s nothing that can go down except the phone network and wifi.

You can also just give people money, which seems like it shouldn’t work with a credit card because it’s technically a cash advance. There’s been a dozen times where a store that requires everything go through an app so they can make you click through 3 menus advertising discounts if you buy more items wouldn’t work because I didn’t have a Chinese number or something, and the employee would put in the order, then I’d give their personal account the money.

A majority of Chinas EVs outside of Shenzhen are hybrids. Unless youre counting vespas, there’s way more electrics.

Why would it be a failure? I loved never having to carry anything but a phone in China.

🇮🇳 obviously.

lemmitors: They hate Taiwan for their freedom!