• Maple Engineer@lemmy.world
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    The first time we harvested one of our pigs we had a wake for him. We ate all kinds of delicious cuts and raised a toasted to him.

    To Biggun. He was a nice pig and he is a tasty pig.

    TO BIGGUN!

    <om no nom>

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        5 months ago

        If you like: pretending that killing an animal is morally equivalent to killing a human

        You should try: growing a brain

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          When did I say that? My statement points out that rituals to make yourself feel better about killing an animal do not change that animal’s experience of being killed or the moral weight of that action

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            You said they were morally equivalent when you called it murder, and you said it again just now. Why does killing an animal for food carry any moral weight? Cheetahs don’t get any flak for hunting caribou.

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              You said they were morally equivalent when you called it murder

              I didn’t, actually

              and you said it again just now

              I didn’t, actually

              Why does killing an animal for food carry any moral weight?

              Because humans aren’t special unique beings with souls that make us the only ones with moral worth. Many animals are capable of suffering and emotion.

              Cheetahs don’t get any flak for hunting caribou.

              We are the ones with the social system allowing for moral frameworks to guide our decisionmaking. Cheetahs aren’t moral agents. And if they are, they follow cheetah morality. Plus, they are obligate carnivores anyway (which is why your cat should not be deprived of meat)

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                You said they were morally equivalent when you called it murder

                I didn’t, actually

                Yes you did, that’s what the word “murder” means

                your cat shouldn’t be deprived of meat

                All right then. Do you believe that owning a cat is immoral, since in order for the cat to thrive, creatures with souls must die?

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                  There are no creatures with souls. But no, I wouldn’t say keeping a cat in general is immoral. There are definitely ethical concerns around things like kitten breeding mills and letting cats roam around outdoors, though

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              A human is an animal too, so i might kill it for food with no moral weight to it. Great.

              But if you compare yourself to a cheetah, I get that your intellect and morals are just… Primal 😁

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                  I actually didn’t say anything and just followed this dude’s logic. But actually I’d say it’s not equivalent. The non-human animals are always innocent. Man is rarely.

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                    Oh, I disagree. Ant colonies go to war with each other all the time. Basically all mammal species see every male in a 5-mile radius fight to the death over a single female. I’m curious what exactly it is the animals are supposed to be innocent of.

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            It’s in the definition. Murder is the killing of one human being by another. Vegan fanatics try to shame everyone else by calling it murder but it just makes me laugh. They try so very hard but just sound silly.

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              4 months ago

              pedantry is an incredible argumentative strategy. Truly unstoppable. Why think critically when you can read a dictionary instead?

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                Dismissing the truth as pedantry doesn’t change the fact that it’s the truth. Your beliefs don’t change reality.

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                  Using linguistic prescriptivism to shut down an argument and calling it “the truth” and “reality” to avoid thinking about what somebody means when they say a word is… certainly something

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                    Fanatics try to expand the meanings of words to make their message more inflammatory in an attempt to bully and shame people who don’t agree with them into doing what they want. It’s a standard play from the extremist playbook.