They had a supermajority under Obama, who had promised before hand that the first thing on his list was legislating abortion access.
Instead they helped pass a GOP crafted bill that forced people to buy private insurance.
The establishment democrats do not want progress, they want the appearance of progress while running in place and they will always pull a convenient Joe Manchin or Sinems out of their hat to avoid backing up their promises with actual, effective action that produces long-term change.
4 months under Obama. 4 MONTHS. Not years, MONTHS. 4 months the last 44 fucking years the dems have had super majority.
They used it for the Affordable Care Act. Nice attempt to reframe that. Even better than the right’s Obamacare. All so you can set up a strawman that they secretly don’t want progress. If the GOP liked ACA so much, then why have they spent the last 14 years trying to repeal it? Hint: they hate it.
So we’re back to what I said. You want progress? How about giving them control for more than 4 fucking months out of the last 44 fucking years. Nah, you want to suggest they secretly don’t want progress lol. You want no Manchin and no Sinema? Vote so that Dems consistently win and then more progressive candidates can win. (Besides the very obvious if there were more Dems in Senate, then Manchin and SInema wouldn’t have any power.)
They used it for the Affordable Care Act. Nice attempt to reframe that.
It should be reframed because very few people undersrand that the ACA is literally a massive gift to private insurers. It’s why they were onboard. Not only was it great for them because it forced people into buying useless high deductible private insurance that covered nothing, it was a dead end that couldn’t possibly lead to further reforms.
Trump eliminating the mandate was the one good thing that came out of his term.
If the GOP liked ACA so much, then why have they spent the last 13 years trying to repeal it
The exact same reason they aren’t accepting Biden’s offer to help them fulfill their right-wing wishlist of border policies; it’s more politically beneficial to pretend to oppose it. It’s one of the oldest tactics in the book; stomp and scream and yell about the tiniest thing and your milquetoast “bipartisan” dipshit opponent won’t dare to pushback.
The right is always framing in the way that benefits them most, and you’re falling right into it.
it’s more politically beneficial to pretend to oppose it.
They seriously tried to repeal it. There’s no pretending.
That seems to be what you’re into: everything from everyone is all pretend. All these people that can afford healthcare now? It’s all from pretend. All those serious efforts to overturn it? Also pretend.
And for what end? Seems so that you can excuse yourself for not voting.
I’m gonna say it again, you want progress? Vote. Give Dems overwhelming and consistent victories. Not 6 years (or 4 months) every 44 fucking years.
Dude they seriously tried to repeal it. There’s no pretending.
And yet it wasn’t repealed. Weird, huh.
I’m gonna say it again, you want progress? Vote. Give Dems overwhelming and consistent victories. Not 6 years (or 4 months) every 44 fucking years.
I vote plenty, just not for corporate conservatives who give lip service to progressive policy but then when the chips are down conveniently hide behind whichever Dem gets to be the rotating villain this time around.
Ask yourself this; how much do you think republicans could get done with a 4 month super majority?
Corporate democrats will drag their feet as slow as they need to no matter how much time you give them because they aren’t actually interested in change or progress. They’re happy to play grab ass with their GOP buddies as Republicans slide the whole circus closer and closer towards fascism.
Its not even that Democrats are slowing our descent, we’ve slid all the way to the bottom of the hill already and Democrats are just there miming pulling on ropes to get us back up.
It barely scrapped by surviving, so obviously it was all pretend, right? Give your head a shake.
GOP doesn’t need a supermajority. What the GOP wants is lack of progres, they more or less want the status quo. The vast majority of what they want to do is block things. Just block things. They can do that with, drumroll please, any one of those 3. Any one of those 3. Which they get all the time. They had that for 20 years of the last 24 years.
Or the things they do want to pass is mostly just overturning things and tax breaks. Which takes, drumroll please, fuck all effort. That’s it. They could do a fuckton because what they want is repeal everything which requires no effort.
Progress takes actual effort, hard work, and time. Stagnation (or regression) requires next to nothing.
And you’re back to Dems bad, so I’ll repeat again that they had control for 6 years out of the last 44 fucking years. But you expect everything done at the snap of a finger. So I say again that Progress takes actual effort, hard work, and time. To which you say “pretend” and Dems bad. Rinse and repeat Have we summed up this conversation? You’re over your head in what’s essentially conspiracy theories that it’s all pretend. Give your head a shake. There’s no talking with someone so deep in what’s essentially conspiracy theories. Doubt I’ll respond anymore because it’s just more repeating.
It barely scrapped by surviving, so obviously it was all pretend, right?
You do understand that they already know how a vote will go when legislation is brought up, right? There is no “scraping by”, it either has the votes or it doesn’t.
Voting for or against something to virtue signal is not some crazy out there concept, it’s routine practice from both parties. The Democrats do the same thing.
If I’m a GOP politician, and I’ve been railing against healthcare reform and demonizing the concept, going on Fox News talking about Death Panels and other stupid shit, to the point where now even my spineless “moderate” opponents have conceded the entire debate about universal healthcare and are ready to settle for a forced private insurance schemethat I created, why would I vote for it if I’ve convinced the Democrats to do it for me?
There’s no downside to voting against, I get my forced private insurance bill and I get to go back on Fox and keep up my anti-healthcare reform schtick and dunk on the Democrats. There’s no political benefit to voting for ACA and then having my base of dimwits go “Hey, wait a minute! Durrrr you spent the last 6 months talking about how Obama and the ACA are communism!”
Progress takes actual effort, hard work, and time
Effort and hardwork? Yes. Time? No, not really.
The lie about time is what has you so tripped up – change doesn’t necessitate generations and generations, that’s simply speech design to pre-defeat an effort. The only thing standing in the way of change are those who buy into Democratic bullshit excuses.
Remember when Biden implemented Sanders’ child tax credit and it instantaneously halved child poverty? Yeah, that is how quick change can be.
I’m not voting for people because I want a functioning healthcare system for my great great grandchildren, I’m voting for people who want to make it happen now, in my life time instead of making excuses to protect political failures like Biden and co.
Oh yeah McCain never shocked everybody by suddenly changing the vote. /S
Nobody said generations to write specific legislation. May take consistent victories to move the Overton window, that’s not the same as writing specific legislation.
But yes it does take time to figure out exactly what you’re going to do, who supports what in detail, because you do have to get House Representatives to vote for it (and they don’t just fall in line like the gop), the funding, the million details, and then write it up. Do you know what a party whip is? Ever wonder why they need a party whip? Like tell me you’ve never worked on anything complicated, it’s like trying to corral cats.
Inb4 but GOP. Repealing other legislation takes next to nothing. You don’t have to craft anything in any detail. You just have to say no. I noticed you didn’t respond to any of that.
So yes, it takes actual effort, work, and time. You live in a fantasy world if you think people just snap their finger and the world changes in every aspect on a dime.
Why am I bothering. You’re neck deep way over your head in conspiracy theories.
But yes it does take time to figure out exactly what you’re going to do
Which democrats gave had. There was 0 excuse when Obama had a super majority to not gave abortion legislation ready. In fact they did. Talk about not knowing about the details.
Stop making excuses for them, you’re not helping anyone by trying to deflect oressure, you’re only actively aiding in the false narrative about “it requires time”. If you continue to make excuses for the chronic, decades long failure to meet the mandate given to Democrats by the American people it can only be assumed you want to trend of abject failure to continue.
The Dems only had the super majority because they were aligned with Independent senators, so they didn’t actually have a supermajority.
At least one of the Dems was opposed to national healthcare because he was a piece of shit, and they feared getting rid of the filibuster to pass single payer because apparently Dems don’t understand that the GOP is based on obstruction.
Dems need to get rid of the filibuster so they can actually accomplish things when they hold all three branches. Actually doing things would garner them more votes!
They had a supermajority under Obama, who had promised before hand that the first thing on his list was legislating abortion access.
Instead they helped pass a GOP crafted bill that forced people to buy private insurance.
The establishment democrats do not want progress, they want the appearance of progress while running in place and they will always pull a convenient Joe Manchin or Sinems out of their hat to avoid backing up their promises with actual, effective action that produces long-term change.
4 months under Obama. 4 MONTHS. Not years, MONTHS. 4 months the last 44 fucking years the dems have had super majority.
They used it for the Affordable Care Act. Nice attempt to reframe that. Even better than the right’s Obamacare. All so you can set up a strawman that they secretly don’t want progress. If the GOP liked ACA so much, then why have they spent the last 14 years trying to repeal it? Hint: they hate it.
So we’re back to what I said. You want progress? How about giving them control for more than 4 fucking months out of the last 44 fucking years. Nah, you want to suggest they secretly don’t want progress lol. You want no Manchin and no Sinema? Vote so that Dems consistently win and then more progressive candidates can win. (Besides the very obvious if there were more Dems in Senate, then Manchin and SInema wouldn’t have any power.)
It should be reframed because very few people undersrand that the ACA is literally a massive gift to private insurers. It’s why they were onboard. Not only was it great for them because it forced people into buying useless high deductible private insurance that covered nothing, it was a dead end that couldn’t possibly lead to further reforms.
Trump eliminating the mandate was the one good thing that came out of his term.
The exact same reason they aren’t accepting Biden’s offer to help them fulfill their right-wing wishlist of border policies; it’s more politically beneficial to pretend to oppose it. It’s one of the oldest tactics in the book; stomp and scream and yell about the tiniest thing and your milquetoast “bipartisan” dipshit opponent won’t dare to pushback.
The right is always framing in the way that benefits them most, and you’re falling right into it.
They seriously tried to repeal it. There’s no pretending.
That seems to be what you’re into: everything from everyone is all pretend. All these people that can afford healthcare now? It’s all from pretend. All those serious efforts to overturn it? Also pretend.
And for what end? Seems so that you can excuse yourself for not voting.
I’m gonna say it again, you want progress? Vote. Give Dems overwhelming and consistent victories. Not 6 years (or 4 months) every 44 fucking years.
And yet it wasn’t repealed. Weird, huh.
I vote plenty, just not for corporate conservatives who give lip service to progressive policy but then when the chips are down conveniently hide behind whichever Dem gets to be the rotating villain this time around.
Ask yourself this; how much do you think republicans could get done with a 4 month super majority?
Corporate democrats will drag their feet as slow as they need to no matter how much time you give them because they aren’t actually interested in change or progress. They’re happy to play grab ass with their GOP buddies as Republicans slide the whole circus closer and closer towards fascism.
Its not even that Democrats are slowing our descent, we’ve slid all the way to the bottom of the hill already and Democrats are just there miming pulling on ropes to get us back up.
It barely scrapped by surviving, so obviously it was all pretend, right? Give your head a shake.
GOP doesn’t need a supermajority. What the GOP wants is lack of progres, they more or less want the status quo. The vast majority of what they want to do is block things. Just block things. They can do that with, drumroll please, any one of those 3. Any one of those 3. Which they get all the time. They had that for 20 years of the last 24 years.
Or the things they do want to pass is mostly just overturning things and tax breaks. Which takes, drumroll please, fuck all effort. That’s it. They could do a fuckton because what they want is repeal everything which requires no effort.
Progress takes actual effort, hard work, and time. Stagnation (or regression) requires next to nothing.
And you’re back to Dems bad, so I’ll repeat again that they had control for 6 years out of the last 44 fucking years. But you expect everything done at the snap of a finger. So I say again that Progress takes actual effort, hard work, and time. To which you say “pretend” and Dems bad. Rinse and repeat Have we summed up this conversation? You’re over your head in what’s essentially conspiracy theories that it’s all pretend. Give your head a shake. There’s no talking with someone so deep in what’s essentially conspiracy theories. Doubt I’ll respond anymore because it’s just more repeating.
You do understand that they already know how a vote will go when legislation is brought up, right? There is no “scraping by”, it either has the votes or it doesn’t.
Voting for or against something to virtue signal is not some crazy out there concept, it’s routine practice from both parties. The Democrats do the same thing.
If I’m a GOP politician, and I’ve been railing against healthcare reform and demonizing the concept, going on Fox News talking about Death Panels and other stupid shit, to the point where now even my spineless “moderate” opponents have conceded the entire debate about universal healthcare and are ready to settle for a forced private insurance schemethat I created, why would I vote for it if I’ve convinced the Democrats to do it for me?
There’s no downside to voting against, I get my forced private insurance bill and I get to go back on Fox and keep up my anti-healthcare reform schtick and dunk on the Democrats. There’s no political benefit to voting for ACA and then having my base of dimwits go “Hey, wait a minute! Durrrr you spent the last 6 months talking about how Obama and the ACA are communism!”
Effort and hardwork? Yes. Time? No, not really. The lie about time is what has you so tripped up – change doesn’t necessitate generations and generations, that’s simply speech design to pre-defeat an effort. The only thing standing in the way of change are those who buy into Democratic bullshit excuses.
Remember when Biden implemented Sanders’ child tax credit and it instantaneously halved child poverty? Yeah, that is how quick change can be.
I’m not voting for people because I want a functioning healthcare system for my great great grandchildren, I’m voting for people who want to make it happen now, in my life time instead of making excuses to protect political failures like Biden and co.
Oh yeah McCain never shocked everybody by suddenly changing the vote. /S
Nobody said generations to write specific legislation. May take consistent victories to move the Overton window, that’s not the same as writing specific legislation.
But yes it does take time to figure out exactly what you’re going to do, who supports what in detail, because you do have to get House Representatives to vote for it (and they don’t just fall in line like the gop), the funding, the million details, and then write it up. Do you know what a party whip is? Ever wonder why they need a party whip? Like tell me you’ve never worked on anything complicated, it’s like trying to corral cats.
Inb4 but GOP. Repealing other legislation takes next to nothing. You don’t have to craft anything in any detail. You just have to say no. I noticed you didn’t respond to any of that.
So yes, it takes actual effort, work, and time. You live in a fantasy world if you think people just snap their finger and the world changes in every aspect on a dime.
Why am I bothering. You’re
neck deepway over your head in conspiracy theories.Which democrats gave had. There was 0 excuse when Obama had a super majority to not gave abortion legislation ready. In fact they did. Talk about not knowing about the details.
Stop making excuses for them, you’re not helping anyone by trying to deflect oressure, you’re only actively aiding in the false narrative about “it requires time”. If you continue to make excuses for the chronic, decades long failure to meet the mandate given to Democrats by the American people it can only be assumed you want to trend of abject failure to continue.
That is a two part problem.
The Dems only had the super majority because they were aligned with Independent senators, so they didn’t actually have a supermajority.
At least one of the Dems was opposed to national healthcare because he was a piece of shit, and they feared getting rid of the filibuster to pass single payer because apparently Dems don’t understand that the GOP is based on obstruction.
Dems need to get rid of the filibuster so they can actually accomplish things when they hold all three branches. Actually doing things would garner them more votes!